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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: MIKES_DUSTER]
#18182
11/20/05 06:18 AM
11/20/05 06:18 AM
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What are the show dates for Englishtown?
this yr it was may 14-15 or 15-16...something like that and im sure it will be around the same time this coming yr.
Thanks, I am planning on making it to this show. Most likely I will have to keep my car in the car show field since I have a 528 with no power adder.
Well on the bright side I won't beat my stuff up.
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: PROMAX]
#18184
11/20/05 09:22 PM
11/20/05 09:22 PM
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Johnston County, N.C.
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I'd definitely hit the Rock. If it does become a go there I can post to the local tracks (Fayetteville, Dunn-Benson, Hickory, etc.) via their message boards. A whole lot of guys are itching for some heads up racing. If there's anything we can do at U.S. Car Tool to help get it going, just give us a call. Shawn Quote:
How about a race at the Rock on April 14-15 2006? I spoke with them today and are interested in adding the PFSC to their event.
I need to get a roll call on who would consider coming and racing.
We have thought about allowing all cast iron blocks for Muscle Street. The down side is that you can build some big cube motors with a Mega block. Any thoughts or comments?
Thanks
Ben J. Gorman
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: 66coronet]
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11/21/05 10:12 AM
11/21/05 10:12 AM
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If I am not mistaken you can have a pin on hood. I am not sure about the decklid. the bolt on items are for fenders and such. The old rules stated a period correct fiberglass hood and fiberglass bumpers. We are hopefully trying to expand upon that with letting bolt on fiberglass body parts such as fenders which are typically the case. Dodge charger had brought up a point about us not wanting any competition. That is not the case at all. I just don't think a megablock is what you would typically see in a street car. I have problems thinking that there is that many people who would like to race with a mega block that are on that pole. If mega blocks are allowed how do you police the cubic inches. One gentleman had said you just have to limit the cubic inches. Who is going to be in charge of teching and checking if these cars aren't going past 528 or whatever the limit. We want to make this as simple as possible for everyone. I don't think Ben or Mike want to spend all day teching car's and I don't think that is their intention. Most of the guys who have been racing in muscle street are there to have a good time and run heads up. There is no other heads up no power adder classes out there right now for a big block car much less a mopar. We have something that is very marketable and you don't have to be the fastest car. Here is an example of what happened at Indy. Here is the qualifying. 1. Fred Bernardi 10.290 132.93 69 Super Bee 2. Jim Johnson 10.448 125.33 74 Scamp 3. Shawn Goodman 10.701 125.58 72 Roadrunner 4. Greg Van Hoose 10.814 122.47 69 Roadrunner 5. Jim Burnette 10.859 120.55 70 Roadrunner 6. Sean Brady 11.052 121.33 69 Charger 7. Chad Marshall 11.091 119.77 70 Challenger 8. Rick Hempel 11.414 118.20 70 Barracuda 9. Radar Watkins 13.396 100.17 70 Sport Fury The final was Fred Bernardi and Chad Marshall. As you can see Chad was not in the top half of the field. Chad benefitted from some breakdowns in his ladder and drove his butt off to make the finals. So the fastest cars doesn't always dominate. Fred ended up winning but Chad picked up some runner up money. Greg Van Hoose vhepower.com 
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: Greg]
#18187
11/22/05 01:31 AM
11/22/05 01:31 AM
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smalltyredart67
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
#18192
11/24/05 11:02 AM
11/24/05 11:02 AM
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440Jim
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no Indy -1 heads in Muscle Street??
I think this is a mistake. Since the Indy SR and -1 head are the same base casting (some core diff?), you can't tell which the guy has (tech) unless you take the valve covers off. And even then, with porting (fill the pushrod holes, etc.), you can make an SR into a 440-1 with the offset rocker gear. So I think these should be treated the same.
In Muscle Street, the small block W5, etc should simply be outlawed at any weight. There is nothing stock replacement about them.
And I think all weight penalties should be so severe, that the car would run 11.0. You want to let them run, but you don't want to encourage there use by making them the only way to win. IMO, 50 and 100 lb weight penalties are a joke. It should be 200, 300, 400 etc. so they are running 4000+ lb total.
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Stock front suspension required, bolt-on replacements such as K-member, control
arms, springs and shocks OK, rack and pinion OK
This should be re-examined. For an entry level class, the stock K-frame should be retained, including the steering box. I don't like tubular A-arms and non-Mopar brakes either, but with a weight penalty (100-200 lbs) it might be tolerable if you must allow it (which I don't think you do).
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Trans brakes and aftermarket clutches and shifters
permitted,
Get rid of the transbrake. There is no use for a transbrake in a "Street" car. I won't waste my breath anymore on transbrakes.
The way the Muscle Street rules are posted right now on the ProMax site are pretty good. I hope they stay very close to that. If racers want other equipment, they can enter another class.
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: 440Jim]
#18193
11/24/05 02:08 PM
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smalltyredart67
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: 440Jim]
#18194
11/24/05 05:14 PM
11/24/05 05:14 PM
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Mohnton, Pa
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no Indy -1 heads in Muscle Street??
I think this is a mistake. Since the Indy SR and -1 head are the same base casting (some core diff?), you can't tell which the guy has (tech) unless you take the valve covers off. And even then, with porting (fill the pushrod holes, etc.), you can make an SR into a 440-1 with the offset rocker gear. So I think these should be treated the same.
In Muscle Street, the small block W5, etc should simply be outlawed at any weight. There is nothing stock replacement about them.
And I think all weight penalties should be so severe, that the car would run 11.0. You want to let them run, but you don't want to encourage there use by making them the only way to win. IMO, 50 and 100 lb weight penalties are a joke. It should be 200, 300, 400 etc. so they are running 4000+ lb total.
While I am giving my 2-cents:
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Stock front suspension required, bolt-on replacements such as K-member, control
arms, springs and shocks OK, rack and pinion OK
This should be re-examined. For an entry level class, the stock K-frame should be retained, including the steering box. I don't like tubular A-arms and non-Mopar brakes either, but with a weight penalty (100-200 lbs) it might be tolerable if you must allow it (which I don't think you do).
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Trans brakes and aftermarket clutches and shifters
permitted,
Get rid of the transbrake. There is no use for a transbrake in a "Street" car. I won't waste my breath anymore on transbrakes.
The way the Muscle Street rules are posted right now on the ProMax site are pretty good. I hope they stay very close to that. If racers want other equipment, they can enter another class.
I don't understand why so many people want to rule out other cars from competing? I have a Megablock with no power adder. Currently I am black listed. If the rules change and let me run that would be great.But the car is not a pickup. I will not load the car with more than 150-200 lbs.On the other hand I don't care what the competition runs under the hood as long as they are not running a power adder. Indy-1 W5 I don't care. Now rules like stock type rear suspension tire type and size restrictions I find more important.Also no traction control electronic devices. Even if you have 1000 hp.If you can't hook the car up you are not going to run very well. And everyone knows the more power you have the harder it is to hook the car up and run consistant with limited traction.I say let them all run use weight to equalize the field and lets go racing.
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Re: Updates for 2006
[Re: PROMAX]
#18197
12/08/05 12:04 AM
12/08/05 12:04 AM
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keefe
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The Indy Muscle Street finals was on Inside Drag racing last weekend...I think you should leave the rules as is for this year and see what changes the actual muscle street racers would like to see for the coming years  ... Keefe
1971 duster twister 440, 3380#,509 M/P hyd,906's,full Exhaust,11.06@117.46 1/4,6.95@ 97.03 1/8,1.497 60ft.....
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All it would take is a lo buck 451 in an A body to put me on the trailer, but I'd like to have a little fun too... 