Heads Up Races for 2006

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i dont have whatever it takes to open and read those rules,, why not just post them?? would a nhra ss a/a or b/a car run in that higher class?

jeff

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I would assume that if they allowed Super Stockers in, Michael Ogburn would want in at the Vegas race. I invited him to a PSCA race and he seemed to like the racing. I would love to line up against him in a heads up race. Hemi vs. Wedge. What a blast that would be.

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We have thought about allowing all cast iron blocks for Muscle Street. The down side is that you can build some big cube motors with a Mega block. Any thoughts or comments?

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IMO, it just opens another can of worms, and is outside the intent of an entry level class.
i understand the desire to try and broaden the rules to attract more competitors, but since it IS a heads up class....if the big cube cars start showing up and dominating, you'll lose some of your original competitor base in the process because they will no longer be competitive.

if someone wants to run in a heads up class that is beyond what the intent of Muscle Street is....they need to look at stepping up to the next level.
changing the rules to try and make everyone happy is how just about every good entry level class gets ruined.....my

also, i have no problem allowing the small blocks to use W5 and Indy heads in the class....so long as they are still used on OE blocks.

if Muscle Street is contested at E-town.....i'd participate.

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I don't understand why a block is such an issue.

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Because the Mega block would allow people to build large cube motors.

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Got the poll up for Muscle Street and allowing Mega Blocks.


Later


Ben J. Gorman

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so....you'd let the Mega Blocks in....even though there arent any available.

how does that level the playing field when the only people that can use them....are people that already have them??

if you want to let them in.....then at least wait until they are available to the general public.

i just built a nice little 451 that would be great for that class.
why would i bother showing up to run heads up against someone with a 572??

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What are the show dates for Englishtown?

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this yr it was may 14-15 or 15-16...something like that and im sure it will be around the same time this coming yr.

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no Indy -1 heads in Muscle Street??

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I think this is a mistake. Since the Indy SR and -1 head are the same base casting (some core diff?), you can't tell which the guy has (tech) unless you take the valve covers off. And even then, with porting (fill the pushrod holes, etc.), you can make an SR into a 440-1 with the offset rocker gear. So I think these should be treated the same.

In Muscle Street, the small block W5, etc should simply be outlawed at any weight. There is nothing stock replacement about them.

And I think all weight penalties should be so severe, that the car would run 11.0. You want to let them run, but you don't want to encourage there use by making them the only way to win. IMO, 50 and 100 lb weight penalties are a joke. It should be 200, 300, 400 etc. so they are running 4000+ lb total.

While I am giving my 2-cents:

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Stock front suspension required, bolt-on replacements such as K-member, control
arms, springs and shocks OK, rack and pinion OK

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This should be re-examined. For an entry level class, the stock K-frame should be retained, including the steering box. I don't like tubular A-arms and non-Mopar brakes either, but with a weight penalty (100-200 lbs) it might be tolerable if you must allow it (which I don't think you do).

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Trans brakes and aftermarket clutches and shifters
permitted,

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Get rid of the transbrake. There is no use for a transbrake in a "Street" car. I won't waste my breath anymore on transbrakes.


The way the Muscle Street rules are posted right now on the ProMax site are pretty good. I hope they stay very close to that. If racers want other equipment, they can enter another class.

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no Indy -1 heads in Muscle Street??

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I think this is a mistake. Since the Indy SR and -1 head are the same base casting (some core diff?), you can't tell which the guy has (tech) unless you take the valve covers off. And even then, with porting (fill the pushrod holes, etc.), you can make an SR into a 440-1 with the offset rocker gear. So I think these should be treated the same.

In Muscle Street, the small block W5, etc should simply be outlawed at any weight. There is nothing stock replacement about them.

And I think all weight penalties should be so severe, that the car would run 11.0. You want to let them run, but you don't want to encourage there use by making them the only way to win. IMO, 50 and 100 lb weight penalties are a joke. It should be 200, 300, 400 etc. so they are running 4000+ lb total.

While I am giving my 2-cents:

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Stock front suspension required, bolt-on replacements such as K-member, control
arms, springs and shocks OK, rack and pinion OK

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This should be re-examined. For an entry level class, the stock K-frame should be retained, including the steering box. I don't like tubular A-arms and non-Mopar brakes either, but with a weight penalty (100-200 lbs) it might be tolerable if you must allow it (which I don't think you do).

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Trans brakes and aftermarket clutches and shifters
permitted,

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Get rid of the transbrake. There is no use for a transbrake in a "Street" car. I won't waste my breath anymore on transbrakes.


The way the Muscle Street rules are posted right now on the ProMax site are pretty good. I hope they stay very close to that. If racers want other equipment, they can enter another class.

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