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Reverse rotation 360
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What needs to be done to use a marine reverse rotation 360 in a car? Is it just change the cam shaft, oil pump, distributor and the drive gear? Just the long block, no accessories. Please tell me the crankshaft is the same  HELP
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
[Re: Rob C]
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Still a standard timing chain but what is puzzling me is the dizzy drive gear is cut opposite of the small block I'm replacing it with.
Going to take pictures to post.
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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the knurling on the crank is backwards and will pump oil out the rear main seal.
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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pic 3 old on the left.
new and suspect marine on the right.
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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06/06/14 07:07 PM
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What needs to be done to use a marine reverse rotation 360 in a car?
Is it just change the cam shaft, oil pump, distributor and the drive gear?
Just the long block, no accessories.
Please tell me the crankshaft is the same
HELP
what the heck are you trying to do? 
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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hell I would run it as a reverse rotation! It will really freak people out when you nail the throttle and the right front picks up instead of the left front. But that is just me! 
wouldn't it be the right rear 
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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What needs to be done to use a marine reverse rotation 360 in a car?
Is it just change the cam shaft, oil pump, distributor and the drive gear?
Just the long block, no accessories.
Please tell me the crankshaft is the same
HELP
what the heck are you trying to do?
I'm trying to use the long block to replace a hurt engine. The '74 360 is a fresh 30 over and decked. The heads were just done and resurfaced too. I started the job before I found out its a reverse rotation engine. What if I remove the rope seal and install a 2 piece lip seal? Would that help with the rear main sealing?
I have a full days labor into it already pulling, cleaning, prepping etc. I need to have this thing burning fuel by Monday. 
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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What needs to be done to use a marine reverse rotation 360 in a car?
Is it just change the cam shaft, oil pump, distributor and the drive gear?
Just the long block, no accessories.
Please tell me the crankshaft is the same
HELP
what the heck are you trying to do?
I'm trying to use the long block to replace a hurt engine. The '74 360 is a fresh 30 over and decked. The heads were just done and resurfaced too. I started the job before I found out its a reverse rotation engine. What if I remove the rope seal and install a 2 piece lip seal? Would that help with the rear main sealing?
I have a full days labor into it already pulling, cleaning, prepping etc. I need to have this thing burning fuel by Monday.
yikes, good luck with that. better find a boat guy and sell it and move on  I have a nice short block roller motor out of my challenger setting here
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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06/07/14 11:12 AM
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the knurling on the crank is backwards and will pump oil out the rear main seal.
Not sure on a 360 Mope, but I did a 350 GM out of my old Cruiser for a project I did and just had to use the correct rear main seal....cam and dizzy....problem solved...???
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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Is the crank OK in the "hurt" engine? Too bad you aren't closer, I've got a crank you could have.
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
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Not that it helps much but if you look at the two cam pictures, you should notice that they are cut to keep the dizzy ( and oil pump ) spinning clockwise. Doesn't matter at this point, I chickend out and had to buy another short block just to make good on my word. At this point, it's like I'm/we're doing all the work for free for a friend because my customer isn't the one who made the mistake.  The local ( run of the mill) machinist that sold me the engine (last year for a project that fell thru) is the one who should get his [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] kicked! He's no where to be found and good riddins. I will do what I can/have to to finish the job. I'm sure someone out there could use this fresh reverse rotation 30 over 360 with a nice purple shaft cam, it should make for a nice engine just backwards  I might find out that all I need to do is to replace crank and cam, the rest is pretty nice. 
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
[Re: RapidRobert]
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Robert, I was thinking the same for the knurling too. P.S. Check you firing order  It's the same as any other LA, you just started with 2 instead of 1 
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Re: Reverse rotation 360
[Re: RapidRobert]
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06/08/14 06:49 PM
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I wondered about that thinking... reverse polarity starter? Thanks for the answer!  We will have to jog you every now and then
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We got burned on this with a 440 some years ago.
. IF the knurling does push oil out I would polish it down to minimize that & I think all the other issues could be easily dealt with ex what about the starter as it needs to be cranked CCW. I wourked on an inboard 318 once & that was what stuck out in my recollections. That and it had a strange firing order 2-1-8-4-3-6-5-7 iirc 
