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Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest #1607922 04/15/14 07:23 PM 04/15/14 07:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ M MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast
MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	This is an offshoot of my "Sandcasting" thread. Back when the repro "warrior" wheels were available I wanted a set but thought I'd just buy them when my project was ready. (I had more important things that needed purchasing at that time) When I was ready to buy there were no more available anywhere as the company producing them had been sold and the tooling went awol. I picked up several 15 inch Recall wheels a few weeks ago and am willing to dismantle any or all of the three to obtain suitable parts for sandcasting. I'd like to make 15x7 wheels with black powdercoated hoops which will accept readily available trim rings. I've got a quote from a wheel shop which can machine raw castings to final size, machine for steel inserts in the lug nut area (so standard conical lug nuts can be used)and assemble them into the steel hoops by a swage process in which the hoops are heated to expand, the center casting is frozen to contract and then the parts are pressed together to cool and then riveted. The quote I don't have yet is to sandcast the centers. I have a very rough idea using some online calculator which I'm not even sure I'm using correctly. Producing somewhere between 100-300 parts (25-75 sets of four wheels) doesn't drastically change the overall cost of the project from what I can tell. My guess is that a minimum of 25 sets of 4 wheels would need to be made at around $2500-$3000 per set would need to happen. My guess is that maybe 1 of 10 people who say they want will actually follow through with the purchase. I don't do this for a living so I'm open to assistance, thoughts, who is "seriously" interested etc. Please discuss.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607923 04/15/14 07:48 PM 04/15/14 07:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY RJS master
RJS master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY	When Specialty first came out with these wheels they made 15x7 which is an aftermarket size. I complained and a year later they made 15x6 at an additional $500 per set. 15x7 was $1800 and 15x6 was $2300. Aren't the ones with the chrome lip still sold? Ron 8113769-IMG_0426(Large).JPG (177 downloads)

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607924 04/15/14 08:16 PM 04/15/14 08:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	I know it is not correct...but if you went with a normal style 2 piece aluminum wheel construction...using aluminum outers, you would be able to get the price down I would say. Then it is only a matter of making a mold for the outer, and welding them in aluminum outers. I know the aluminum outer is quite a bit more than a steel outer, but you will save in the steps needed to make the centers at least. You'd just have the $6k or so for the molds for the centers, then the $130 a piece or so after that to crank them out. I'd have to look up the price for 15" aluminum outers but from memory a 15 x 7 polished outers is around $81 Versus a chrome steel 15 x 7 outers at around $47 or so..(raw are cheaper obviously)..give or take, don't have my pricing info right in front of me.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: RJS] #1607925 04/15/14 08:43 PM 04/15/14 08:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ M MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast
MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: Aren't the ones with the chrome lip still sold? Ron No, long gone

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: OzHemi] #1607926 04/15/14 08:46 PM 04/15/14 08:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ M MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast
MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: I know it is not correct...but if you went with a normal style 2 piece aluminum wheel construction...using aluminum outers, you would be able to get the price down I would say. There are so many aftermarket wheels available.. my thoughts are if I'm going to all this trouble, I'd like them more authentic looking, steel with trim rings. I didn't really care for the chrome repops. I'll take any referrals for a local casting company if you have.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607927 04/15/14 09:01 PM 04/15/14 09:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Quote: Quote: I know it is not correct...but if you went with a normal style 2 piece aluminum wheel construction...using aluminum outers, you would be able to get the price down I would say. There are so many aftermarket wheels available.. my thoughts are if I'm going to all this trouble, I'd like them more authentic looking, steel with trim rings. I didn't really care for the chrome repops. I'll take any referrals for a local casting company if you have. IMHO if your going to repro them, do it correctly, you know the market will be VERY small for them, and an "Anal" market crowd at that, in regards to the correctness factor, otherwise they will shun it as an inadequate repro Specialty Wheels had a steel insert hidden inside the casting where the lug pattern was, to prevent the wheel from exhibiting any cracking around the lug/hub area when torqued down, something you may want to consider when casting your centers

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: DAYCLONA] #1607928 04/15/14 09:24 PM 04/15/14 09:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY RJS master
RJS master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,224 JERSEY	Quote: Quote: Quote: I know it is not correct...but if you went with a normal style 2 piece aluminum wheel construction...using aluminum outers, you would be able to get the price down I would say. There are so many aftermarket wheels available.. my thoughts are if I'm going to all this trouble, I'd like them more authentic looking, steel with trim rings. I didn't really care for the chrome repops. I'll take any referrals for a local casting company if you have. IMHO if your going to repro them, do it correctly, you know the market will be VERY small for them, and an "Anal" market crowd at that, in regards to the correctness factor, otherwise they will shun it as an inadequate repro Specialty Wheels had a steel insert hidden inside the casting where the lug pattern was, to prevent the wheel from exhibiting any cracking around the lug/hub area when torqued down, something you may want to consider when casting your centers I agree with Mike on this, remember I walked away from them when Specialty first came out with them exactly for that reason. Also just a heads up, there was a heavy bead of silicone spread in the wheels where the cast center was welded to the steel rings due to leaking. Ron

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: RJS] #1607929 04/15/14 10:28 PM 04/15/14 10:28 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808 AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here
AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: I know it is not correct...but if you went with a normal style 2 piece aluminum wheel construction...using aluminum outers, you would be able to get the price down I would say. There are so many aftermarket wheels available.. my thoughts are if I'm going to all this trouble, I'd like them more authentic looking, steel with trim rings. I didn't really care for the chrome repops. I'll take any referrals for a local casting company if you have. IMHO if your going to repro them, do it correctly, you know the market will be VERY small for them, and an "Anal" market crowd at that, in regards to the correctness factor, otherwise they will shun it as an inadequate repro Specialty Wheels had a steel insert hidden inside the casting where the lug pattern was, to prevent the wheel from exhibiting any cracking around the lug/hub area when torqued down, something you may want to consider when casting your centers Also just a heads up, there was a heavy bead of silicone spread in the wheels where the cast center was welded to the steel rings due to leaking. Ron That silicone bead is not uncommon, I see it with lots of aftermarket wheels 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607930 04/16/14 02:26 AM 04/16/14 02:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State SNK-EYZ I Live Here
SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State	As I said in your other thread I have a buddy that wants a set. He doesn't really use the internet or computers for that matter. The car he's wanting them for is real J code, Q5 Turquoise, Hemi 4 speed 69 Coronet R/T convertible. I can pm you his contact info if you think this is going to happen. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607931 04/16/14 02:57 AM 04/16/14 02:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	Quote: Quote: I know it is not correct...but if you went with a normal style 2 piece aluminum wheel construction...using aluminum outers, you would be able to get the price down I would say. There are so many aftermarket wheels available.. my thoughts are if I'm going to all this trouble, I'd like them more authentic looking, steel with trim rings. I didn't really care for the chrome repops. I'll take any referrals for a local casting company if you have. No problem, just was thinking aloud with the change in design idea.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: SNK-EYZ] #1607932 04/16/14 02:43 PM 04/16/14 02:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ M MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast
MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: As I said in your other thread I have a buddy that wants a set. I can pm you his contact info if you think this is going to happen. Please do. The point of this thread is to see who's interested and under what conditions. IE; If 15x7's with commonly available trim rings are acceptable or only if the wheels are 15x6 as original etc. Thanks

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607933 04/16/14 04:08 PM 04/16/14 04:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada	Not exactly a stampede of interested parties, huh! I suspect the lack of interest is based on two things. 1) someone who isn't an expert in the field heading up the project and 2) committing to an unknown end result. You'd probably do better if you pursued a "group buy" and contacted the original reproducer to make another limited run. Or even contact those guys first to see what they'd need as a commitment to do a re-run.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607934 04/16/14 04:49 PM 04/16/14 04:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State SNK-EYZ I Live Here
SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State	Sent you a pm with his info. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: SNK-EYZ] #1607935 04/16/14 06:22 PM 04/16/14 06:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,536 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,536 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	No interest here unless they were small bolt pattern. The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: Rhinodart] #1607936 04/16/14 06:36 PM 04/16/14 06:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ M MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast
MCTPhoenix OP enthusiast M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 294 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: No interest here unless they were small bolt pattern. Since all the centers get machined for bolt pattern anyway I don't see that as a problem. You would have to be ok with 15's and not 14's of course

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: MCTPhoenix] #1607937 04/17/14 10:11 AM 04/17/14 10:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC TooMany62s top fuel
TooMany62s top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC	As a former aluminum foundry owner I can tell you these guys could make the tooling and castings for you: http://www.andersonglobal.com/ However, unless you have LOTS of buyers I doubt that it would be financially feasible.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: Rhinodart] #1607938 04/17/14 02:49 PM 04/17/14 02:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,216 NO RUST IN AZ!!! A azmopar I Live Here
azmopar I Live Here A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,216 NO RUST IN AZ!!!	Quote: No interest here unless they were small bolt pattern. Id be in a for a set of small pattern ones too 70 Challenger Convertible 340 six pak CLONE? 70 Duster real FM3 car 65 Dart Charger FOR SALE #NONIKESEVER A Real man aint afraid to drive PINK!!!! 67 Plymouth Valiant PILOT CAR 273 Commando 4 spd

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: TooMany62s] #1607939 04/17/14 04:24 PM 04/17/14 04:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA 62maxwgn master
62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: As a former aluminum foundry owner I can tell you these guys could make the tooling and castings for you: http://www.andersonglobal.com/ However, unless you have LOTS of buyers I doubt that it would be financially feasible. And Rick,just about anytime an item that is no longer available is mentioned as a possibility you know as well as I do in most cases everyone will say I'm in but in the end most are out.

Re: Feeler RECALL WHEELS - Any Serious Interest [Re: 62maxwgn] #1607940 04/17/14 06:44 PM 04/17/14 06:44 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada	A number of years ago I sent out feelers regarding importing a product into Canada and I had a lot of "interest". But what I found out is this: "I'd buy that" REALLY means a) if I had any money b) if I had a (insert item here) to use it on or c) (and MOST importantly) if my wife will let me

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