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Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575096 02/07/14 01:17 PM 02/07/14 01:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: and this my friend is NOT stock front suspension. Why? Does the a arm bolt on in the stock location? Does the sub frame still bolt on in the stock location? Does it not still use a stock spring location? So stock arm mounting points, stock spring location, and bolts on like stock sub frame with stock frame rails but it's not stock how do you figure? I would call it a modified front end.. not stock

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1575097 02/07/14 02:03 PM 02/07/14 02:03 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA. pittsburghracer OP "Little"John
pittsburghracer OP "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	Quote: Quote: Quote: and this my friend is NOT stock front suspension. Why? Does the a arm bolt on in the stock location? Does the sub frame still bolt on in the stock location? Does it not still use a stock spring location? So stock arm mounting points, stock spring location, and bolts on like stock sub frame with stock frame rails but it's not stock how do you figure? I would call it a modified front end.. not stock You guys are wasting tour time arguing with this guy and many others. They manipulate those rules as they chose. The STOCK firewall rule is a real sketchy subject. I'll stick to my bracket racing. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: pittsburghracer] #1575098 02/07/14 02:05 PM 02/07/14 02:05 PM
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Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Lookin good...............Looks so much nicer that the stock stamped junk I run now............ 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: pittsburghracer] #1575099 02/07/14 02:09 PM 02/07/14 02:09 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I would call it a modified front end.. not stock You guys are wasting tour time arguing with this guy and many others. They manipulate those rules as they chose. The STOCK firewall rule is a real sketchy subject. I'll stick to my bracket racing. I agree... I'm not arguing but call it like I see it again thats the way "I" see it.... your right.. I like the rules in bracket racing.. they fit my rules

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575100 02/07/14 02:11 PM 02/07/14 02:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,327 south central,Pa mopar_to_ya pro stock
mopar_to_ya pro stock Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,327 south central,Pa	Quote: Why? Does the a arm bolt on in the stock location? Does the sub frame still bolt on in the stock location? Does it not still use a stock spring location? So stock arm mounting points, stock spring location, and bolts on like stock sub frame with stock frame rails but it's not stock how do you figure? Factory cut out and aftermarket "WELDED" in. It's not a direct bolt in, if it was then I would agree. BUT, the key word here is WELD... It's a bigblock with a torque flight!!!

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575101 02/07/14 02:22 PM 02/07/14 02:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: Quote: and this my friend is NOT stock front suspension. Why? Does the a arm bolt on in the stock location? Does the sub frame still bolt on in the stock location? Does it not still use a stock spring location? So stock arm mounting points, stock spring location, and bolts on like stock sub frame with stock frame rails but it's not stock how do you figure? you have to be kidding stock means the way it came from the factory unchanged in any way. there is no difference in that front end with round tubes or not. just a twist of rules to fit your needs, class or what ever you want to call it. IT IS A FAB TUBE CHASSIS.

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: Quicktree] #1575102 02/07/14 02:31 PM 02/07/14 02:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA. pittsburghracer OP "Little"John
pittsburghracer OP "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	Quote: Quote: Quote: and this my friend is NOT stock front suspension. Why? Does the a arm bolt on in the stock location? Does the sub frame still bolt on in the stock location? Does it not still use a stock spring location? So stock arm mounting points, stock spring location, and bolts on like stock sub frame with stock frame rails but it's not stock how do you figure? you have to be kidding stock means the way it came from the factory unchanged in any way. there is no difference in that front end with round tubes or not. just a twist of rules to fit your needs, class or what ever you want to call it. IT IS A FAB TUBE CHASSIS. Not that there's anything wrong with that. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: pittsburghracer] #1575103 02/07/14 02:43 PM 02/07/14 02:43 PM
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ChuckT enthusiast C Joined: May 2010 Posts: 253 Pittsburgh	Looks good, John! Orie does nice work!

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: mopar_to_ya] #1575104 02/07/14 03:49 PM 02/07/14 03:49 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Quote: Why? Does the a arm bolt on in the stock location? Does the sub frame still bolt on in the stock location? Does it not still use a stock spring location? So stock arm mounting points, stock spring location, and bolts on like stock sub frame with stock frame rails but it's not stock how do you figure? Factory cut out and aftermarket "WELDED" in. It's not a direct bolt in, if it was then I would agree. BUT, the key word here is WELD... This is a Camaro front sub frame, it unbolts from the factory. The left and right rail are are factory stamped pieces from where they bolt on the car too where the a arms bolt on. They bolt on the same way and location as a factory car. He cut out cross member welded new one in. He cut and welded in tube core support. He didn't change anything as far as location or how it attaches in refused to the front suspension. So it is infact completely bolt on. Is your brother's car stock suspension? Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: pittsburghracer] #1575105 02/07/14 08:49 PM 02/07/14 08:49 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Ok this is how I see it. If I can unbolt his sub frame and bolt it on another stock 70 Camaro with out any mods, or unbolt his a arms and springs and shocks and bolt them on another 70 Camaro with out mods how can this car not have stock suspension? He modified his cross member and rad support not his suspension. So if I but a rancho shock on my car it is not longer stock suspension you are telling me. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575106 02/07/14 08:54 PM 02/07/14 08:54 PM
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pittsburghracer OP "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	Do you argue with yourself in the shower? 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: pittsburghracer] #1575107 02/07/14 10:41 PM 02/07/14 10:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	What do you think they say? http://turbobullet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3671 Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575108 02/07/14 10:43 PM 02/07/14 10:43 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	How about these guys? http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=700969 Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575109 02/08/14 01:35 AM 02/08/14 01:35 AM
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dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,840 MI, usa	If it passes tech then that's all that matters. That being said. If I wrote rules for stock suspension, I would tighten them to eliminate this being a "stock" front suspension. I can't believe this was the intent of the rules. The only factory parts are the rails. Kind of reminds me of when there was no wording about nitrous in NHRA Pro Stock. I applaud the owners use of stretching the rules. That's thinking outside the box. So until it's deemed illegal, I'd run it. But in my book it's nowhere near stock Doug

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: n20mstr] #1575110 02/08/14 01:35 AM 02/08/14 01:35 AM
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OUTLAWD top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,942 Metro Detroit	Quote: wow that don't have NOTHING stock about it.....,! Lol But its NA! Update looks good! New hardware is always nice Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death... 71 Swinger - slowly collecting dust/parts 66 Belv. II - just a streetcar 88 Mustang - turbo LS beater

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: dvw] #1575111 02/08/14 02:11 AM 02/08/14 02:11 AM
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hemiiroc member H Joined: May 2007 Posts: 174 Oklahoma	The Camaro subframe will pass for stock style suspension in any backhalf class. The Duster at the top would be a tube chassis car.

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575112 02/08/14 05:42 AM 02/08/14 05:42 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,327 south central,Pa mopar_to_ya pro stock
mopar_to_ya pro stock Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,327 south central,Pa	Are you freakin kidding me! This is a joke. IF IT'S CUT, MODIFIED, AND/OR WELDED, then it's NOT a direct bolt in... Therefor it is NOT STOCK! Who gives two craps if the subframe bolts in or not, big whoopee do. It's a bigblock with a torque flight!!!

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575113 02/08/14 01:41 PM 02/08/14 01:41 PM
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pittsburghracer OP "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	Quote: Look at this his tube chassis unbolts What does a CHEVY front frame section have to do with this post anyway? Just curious. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: 1967dartgt] #1575114 02/08/14 01:56 PM 02/08/14 01:56 PM
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Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: How about these guys? http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=700969 Too funny, go to other sites and call us "Moparts" guys knuckleheads........AND promote gm crap............ 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Duster front end updates are done [Re: Thumperdart] #1575115 02/08/14 02:04 PM 02/08/14 02:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA. pittsburghracer OP "Little"John
pittsburghracer OP "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	Quote: Quote: How about these guys? http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=700969 Too funny, go to other sites and call us "Moparts" guys knuckleheads........AND promote gm crap............ I guess a STOCK modified chevy front end would look stock to a chevy guy. Sometimes you wish some of our mopar guys played for the other team. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

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