Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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One side was the last parts of the PN for the engine. The other side the transmission. Can't read those numbers too well though.
1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike
Looks like a 916 which is a 69 440 375 w/auto and A/C. Engine color Orange. Is that your setup??? Ron
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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Looks like a 916 which is a 69 440 375 w/auto and A/C. Engine color Orange. Is that your setup??? Ron
Yeah Ron, that's it, THANKS. Where exactly does the 916 come from and what belongs on the other side valve cover? Mike
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c.
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c.
Yep it would be a different # 69 440 375 auto no A/C is 917 From how it was explained to me (and again I don't claim to be correct on everything I spew) it was just a quick way for a line worker to pull the motor off the shelf. Ron
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.
I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron
OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front...
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.
I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron
And here's what's on the Driver's side cover on the rear...
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093. I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.
I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one. Ron
OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front...
Yes I've seen the 5 on many valve covers so my explanation is definitely flawed with the 093. We need someone more knowledgeable to fix mt wrong answer.
Maybe the 5 is found on the Buildsheet is the best I came come up with.
I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time. Ron
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I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time. Ron
My '70 440 4speed Charger has a "0" on the drivers side cover.
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike
Good picture Mike......... Very wise of you to ask a question before stripping and repainting, without duplicating the ID...
Good job..
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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I always "assumed" the 5 was left over from the days (or related to) when the automatic sales code was 395 & 4-speeds were 393, but that doesn't explain the 0
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Found the pics from my Doc-Tona. 440 Auto. This one has a "5" for the auto trans...
Ok, my mystery solved for the "916" and the "5". Any ideas what the markings on the rear of the drivers side valve cover as I posted above? Thanks, Mike
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Found the pics from my Doc-Tona. 440 Auto. This one has a "5" for the auto trans...
Ok, my mystery solved for the "916" and the "5". Any ideas what the markings on the rear of the drivers side valve cover as I posted above? Thanks, Mike
Looks to me like an arrow pointing to where the throttle pressure linkage would be installed...
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc.
Interesting...thanks. Any idea what number one should find on a 69 A12 automatic car? Should it be the same as a 4bbl car?
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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Ah, thats right. Forgot it got a different carb fro cars with A/C. That makes sense now!
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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Good question. The A12 engines had some special features such as engine wire harness, valves, valve springs, distributor...not to mention intake and carbs. The 5600 mile automatic survivor Bee on the A12 website does have the number 5 on the driver's side but the number on the passenger side is smudged. It looks like a 950? However, the last 3 on my broadcast sheet engine number is 926 and it's an A12 automatic. I would think the number on the valve cover should read 926?
926 are the last three digits for a 383 automatic with a heater. That's on the fender tag of an A12 because the 440 replaced the 383 as the 440 was part of the A12 option package. The A12 is on the fender tag to indicate what other "options" were to be added.
The OP's 916 should also be on the fender tag if the OP has one?
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Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic
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The OP's 916 should also be on the fender tag if the OP has one?
Only LR cars had the engine assembly number on the tag. The car is a Charger so it's not from the LR plant so the assembly number won't be on the tag.
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The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc. This number is based on the Engineering number for the Kick-down linkage. That is why standard transmission cars have a "0" on the v/cover....no kick-down linkage. I have a bunch of pics of various cars...I'll look for them. I have not seen these numbers on some low-mile, original cars....it seems not all had these markings....they were probably identified by different means...such as paper tags etc.
Very cool!! thanks for the clarification Ron
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Does a 5 mean that the kickdown is the same on an A12. As a 440-4?
Don't know John because they were deleting the 383 kickdown rod (p/n 2843797) and replacing it with a kickdown rod p/n 2951495 therefore the 5 on the driver's side and kickdown side valve cover of the engine. Don't know what that part number (2951495) is listed for normally?
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The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type. The engine part number would dictate the actual linkage that is to be installed. And yes - the A12 engines had there own unique 3 digit engine numbers....which do not show up in GG's white books. A common A12 resto mistake is to put the b/cast sheet 383 number on the valve cover.
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The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type.
Which, as Dan said above, makes sense. So what is the code for a manual transmission and how does that relate?
Manual is a "0" Ron
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The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type.
Which, as Dan said above, makes sense. So what is the code for a manual transmission and how does that relate?
The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc. This number is based on the Engineering number for the Kick-down linkage. That is why standard transmission cars have a "0" on the v/cover....no kick-down linkage.
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