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'69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic

Posted By: MCTPhoenix

'69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 01:19 AM

Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike

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Posted By: sixpackbee

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 01:40 AM

One side was the last parts of the PN for the engine. The other side the transmission. Can't read those numbers too well though.
Posted By: RJS

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 03:59 AM

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Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike



Looks like a 916 which is a 69 440 375 w/auto and A/C. Engine color Orange.
Is that your setup???
Ron
Posted By: MCTPhoenix

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 05:33 AM

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Looks like a 916 which is a 69 440 375 w/auto and A/C. Engine color Orange.
Is that your setup???
Ron



Yeah Ron, that's it, THANKS. Where exactly does the 916 come from and what belongs on the other side valve cover? Mike
Posted By: RJS

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 06:18 AM

It is the last 3 digits of the p/n for that engine, with that marked on the passenger valve cover and a 093 marked on the drivers side cover they knew on the line to pull that motor and put it in a body that called for a 440 375 w/air and auto in 1969.

The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093.
I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.

I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one.
Ron
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 03:50 PM

Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c.
Posted By: RJS

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 06:05 PM

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Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c.



Yep it would be a different # 69 440 375 auto no A/C is 917
From how it was explained to me (and again I don't claim to be correct on everything I spew) it was just a quick way for a line worker to pull the motor off the shelf.
Ron
Posted By: MCTPhoenix

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 08:54 PM

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The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093.
I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.

I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one.
Ron




OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front...

Attached picture 8018593-DriverFront.jpg
Posted By: MCTPhoenix

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 08:56 PM

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The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093.
I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.

I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one.
Ron





And here's what's on the Driver's side cover on the rear...

Attached picture 8018596-DriverRear.jpg
Posted By: RJS

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 09:37 PM

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The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093.
I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.

I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one.
Ron




OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front...



Yes I've seen the 5 on many valve covers so my explanation is definitely flawed with the 093.
We need someone more knowledgeable to fix mt wrong answer.

Maybe the 5 is found on the Buildsheet is the best I came come up with.

I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time.
Ron
Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 09:42 PM

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The trans p/n would be 2892093 hence the 093.
I don't know the full 7 digits for the engine p/n with the white book I have but it's last 3 digits is 916.

I believe these 3 digit codes would be found on the Broadcast sheet if you had one.
Ron



Ron, was the writing on the valve cover used in all the plants?

OK, here's what's on the Driver's side valve cover on the front...



Yes I've seen the 5 on many valve covers so my explanation is definitely flawed with the 093.
We need someone more knowledgeable to fix mt wrong answer.

Maybe the 5 is found on the Buildsheet is the best I came come up with.

I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time.
Ron

Posted By: MCTPhoenix

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/30/14 09:42 PM

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I know I had an "0" on my 69 440 375 4speed driver side cover and I got that information from a reliable source at the time.
Ron



My '70 440 4speed Charger has a "0" on the drivers side cover.
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 03:02 AM

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Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c.



Yes. As A/C was considered part of the total engine assembly.

Remember, A/C cars could come with different items like carbs so you have to account for an A/C and non A/C assembly plus you have to account for the A/C with a manual or automatic transmission. (Disclaimer: Not speaking specifically about a 440 but in general and in context of the assembly numbering system)
Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 04:23 AM

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Would the engine number have been different if it did not have a/c yet still made for an auto trans? I can't see them making a specific motor just for an option like a/c.



Yes. As A/C was considered part of the total engine assembly.

Remember, A/C cars could come with different items like carbs so you have to account for an A/C and non A/C assembly plus you have to account for the A/C with a manual or automatic transmission. (Disclaimer: Not speaking specifically about a 440 but in general and in context of the assembly numbering system)



Not sure about other motor/trans combination but my 69 Coronet 500 uses the 091 trans, book calls out 383 4 barrel with A/C
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 04:30 AM

I know you could get s 383 4 speed with air but was a 440 4 speed ever available with air conditioning?
Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 04:34 AM

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I know you could get s 383 4 speed with air but was a 440 4 speed ever available with air conditioning?



No,
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 05:26 AM

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Any idea what this is supposed to be? My Charger didn't have it's build sheet and I thought there was supposed to be some correlation between the numbers on the sheet and on the Valve cover. Thanks for any input, Mike



Good picture Mike......... Very wise of you to ask a question before stripping and repainting, without duplicating the ID...

Good job..
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 08:01 AM

I always "assumed" the 5 was left over from the days (or related to) when the automatic sales code was 395 & 4-speeds were 393, but that doesn't explain the 0
Posted By: FJ5_Fish

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 06:44 PM

The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc. This number is based on the Engineering number for the Kick-down linkage. That is why standard transmission cars have a "0" on the v/cover....no kick-down linkage. I have a bunch of pics of various cars...I'll look for them. I have not seen these numbers on some low-mile, original cars....it seems not all had these markings....they were probably identified by different means...such as paper tags etc.
Posted By: FJ5_Fish

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 06:53 PM

Found the pics from my Doc-Tona. 440 Auto. This one has a "5" for the auto trans...

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Posted By: FJ5_Fish

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 06:55 PM

And here is the Engine Assy number.

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Posted By: MCTPhoenix

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 07:09 PM

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Found the pics from my Doc-Tona. 440 Auto. This one has a "5" for the auto trans...



Ok, my mystery solved for the "916" and the "5". Any ideas what the markings on the rear of the drivers side valve cover as I posted above? Thanks, Mike
Posted By: screamindriver

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 01/31/14 08:21 PM

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Found the pics from my Doc-Tona. 440 Auto. This one has a "5" for the auto trans...



Ok, my mystery solved for the "916" and the "5". Any ideas what the markings on the rear of the drivers side valve cover as I posted above? Thanks, Mike

Looks to me like an arrow pointing to where the throttle pressure linkage would be installed...
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 02:15 AM

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The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc.



Interesting...thanks. Any idea what number one should find on a 69 A12 automatic car? Should it be the same as a 4bbl car?
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 02:21 AM

Good question. The A12 engines had some special features such as engine wire harness, valves, valve springs, distributor...not to mention intake and carbs. The 5600 mile automatic survivor Bee on the A12 website does have the number 5 on the driver's side but the number on the passenger side is smudged. It looks like a 950? However, the last 3 on my broadcast sheet engine number is 926 and it's an A12 automatic. I would think the number on the valve cover should read 926?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 03:19 AM

Ah, thats right. Forgot it got a different carb fro cars with A/C. That makes sense now!
Posted By: A12

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 04:03 AM

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Good question. The A12 engines had some special features such as engine wire harness, valves, valve springs, distributor...not to mention intake and carbs. The 5600 mile automatic survivor Bee on the A12 website does have the number 5 on the driver's side but the number on the passenger side is smudged. It looks like a 950? However, the last 3 on my broadcast sheet engine number is 926 and it's an A12 automatic. I would think the number on the valve cover should read 926?




926 are the last three digits for a 383 automatic with a heater. That's on the fender tag of an A12 because the 440 replaced the 383 as the 440 was part of the A12 option package. The A12 is on the fender tag to indicate what other "options" were to be added.

The OP's 916 should also be on the fender tag if the OP has one?
Posted By: A12

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 04:08 AM

I know the reason for marking the valve covers is there is a difference with the engines that can't be spotted at the time of installation into the body or onto a K-frame, as noted the different carb for A/C and sometimes a different ignition timing for a 4-speed or automatic and there is something else that I can't think of?? (auto vs manual/3-spd/4spd?)
Posted By: A12

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 04:10 AM

an A12 4-speed would have 949 on the right valve cover and 950 for the automatic.
Posted By: Big D A12

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 05:53 AM

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an A12 4-speed would have 949 on the right valve cover and 950 for the automatic.



Great thread guys. Does anyone have an original photo of the 949 A12 is describing?

D
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 06:02 AM

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The OP's 916 should also be on the fender tag if the OP has one?



Only LR cars had the engine assembly number on the tag. The car is a Charger so it's not from the LR plant so the assembly number won't be on the tag.
Posted By: 6PakBee

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 05:24 PM

Great post. I've saved all the photos and discussions for later reference.
Posted By: RJS

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 05:31 PM

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The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc. This number is based on the Engineering number for the Kick-down linkage. That is why standard transmission cars have a "0" on the v/cover....no kick-down linkage. I have a bunch of pics of various cars...I'll look for them. I have not seen these numbers on some low-mile, original cars....it seems not all had these markings....they were probably identified by different means...such as paper tags etc.



Very cool!! thanks for the clarification
Ron
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/01/14 10:20 PM

Does a 5 mean that the kickdown is the same on an A12. As a 440-4?
Posted By: A12

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/02/14 11:29 AM

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Does a 5 mean that the kickdown is the same on an A12. As a 440-4?



Don't know John because they were deleting the 383 kickdown rod (p/n 2843797) and replacing it with a kickdown rod p/n 2951495 therefore the 5 on the driver's side and kickdown side valve cover of the engine. Don't know what that part number (2951495) is listed for normally?
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/02/14 10:48 PM

Just wondering because there is a 5 on both the 5600 mile survivor Bee and the 440-4 in this post. I'm not into reproducing those markings on mine but I regret not looking at my original valve covers more closely before I stripped them.
Posted By: FJ5_Fish

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/03/14 04:54 PM

The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type. The engine part number would dictate the actual linkage that is to be installed. And yes - the A12 engines had there own unique 3 digit engine numbers....which do not show up in GG's white books. A common A12 resto mistake is to put the b/cast sheet number on the valve cover.
Posted By: A12

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/03/14 09:21 PM

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The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type. The engine part number would dictate the actual linkage that is to be installed. And yes - the A12 engines had there own unique 3 digit engine numbers....which do not show up in GG's white books. A common A12 resto mistake is to put the b/cast sheet 383 number on the valve cover.



Posted By: MCTPhoenix

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/04/14 12:08 AM

I definitely learned a lot - and real glad I saved those pictures before striping the covers.
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/04/14 12:21 AM

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The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type.



Which, as Dan said above, makes sense. So what is the code for a manual transmission and how does that relate?
Posted By: RJS

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/04/14 01:17 AM

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The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type.



Which, as Dan said above, makes sense. So what is the code for a manual transmission and how does that relate?



Manual is a "0"
Ron
Posted By: 5wndwcpe

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/06/14 05:33 AM

Just for the archives:

1968 Sport Satellite convertible
383/4bbl 4spd

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Posted By: FJ5_Fish

Re: '69 440 Valve Cover marking - See Pic - 02/06/14 06:05 PM

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The "5" denotes that the engine is for an automatic trans....regardless of engine type.



Which, as Dan said above, makes sense. So what is the code for a manual transmission and how does that relate?



The 3 digit engine number is the last 3 numbers of the part number for that Engine Assembly. On the other side....an automatic trans equipped car would get either a 5, a 25 or a 125 depending on year etc. This number is based on the Engineering number for the Kick-down linkage. That is why standard transmission cars have a "0" on the v/cover....no kick-down linkage.

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