Re: sub frame connertors
[Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !]
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01/07/14 07:35 PM
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PM Not needed. those are BOLT in connectors. ricky
Last edited by Copper Dart; 01/08/14 01:04 AM.
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Re: sub frame connertors
[Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !]
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01/07/14 09:01 PM
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Not sure i would say "worthless", but I would say they (typical bolt in style) are not worth the effort/time/cost.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: sub frame connertors
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Whatever....this topic comes up on every board. Here's what I think..take it or leave it. Unless you're racing the car(drag or road coarse)ANY frame connector is a HUGE improvement! I built mine(no they don't go through the floor) and welded them. They made a huge improvement in ride and handling quality. Eliminated many squeaks and rattles too! Mine is just a street car but it feels a lot tighter,more responsive. If you have these connectors and it's a street toy....get it on a drive on style hoist with the weight on the wheels, bolt them on..then weld them up! You will be happy with the results! If this is a race car...think about something that connects/goes through the floor for maximum effectiveness
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Re: sub frame connertors
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01/07/14 10:06 PM
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I agree. I bought the MP bolt in connectors but welded them in instead. I can lift the whole side by lifting the front or back sub frame. The car handles 100 percent better. No more twisting and turning on curvy roads. One of the best investments I've made on my Dart.
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Re: sub frame connertors
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I built my own out of 2 X 4 tubing and welded them directly to the front and rear sub frames, they don't touch the floor anywhere in the middle but I can jack up the car at the front or back weld spot and lift the whole side of the car. The car handles corners much better now rides real nice.
So if you can weld them in place with the car setting on the suspension and weight on the drivers seat.
Been doing them that way for years! Mopar Ford & GM I sit the car on pieces of railroad cross tie & stack concrete blocks the simulate driver weight in the seat
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Re: sub frame connertors
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Ok good thoughts I do plan on having them welded in the summer,plan to do the bolt on now,i i know some of you don't like the mp bolt on but i am old school look.so what is the diff doing it on jack stands vs with the suspension loaded i realty want to do this at home over the winter.
ya its just a street toy
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Re: sub frame connertors
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01/08/14 12:48 PM
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As long as the panels line up and doors open smoothly, bolt em up and call it good. It'll be worlds better than stock. Then when you have time, burn em in. Don't let people scare you. You've already got them. Use them!!
thanks.
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Re: sub frame connertors
[Re: BrianT]
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I agree. I bought the MP bolt in connectors but welded them in instead. I can lift the whole side by lifting the front or back sub frame. The car handles 100 percent better. No more twisting and turning on curvy roads. One of the best investments I've made on my Dart.
Brian how did you do your install on a drive on lift or on jack stands?
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Re: sub frame connertors
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Just because the car is on stands, doesn't mean the suspension cant be "loaded". It depends on where you place the stands.
When I welded mine in. I ran the front of the car up on ramps, then jacked the rear up and set it on stands, with the stands place under the rear end housing. This way the car is up in the air and you can work under it, but it is setting on the suspension, just as if it were sitting on the ground. Hope that helps a little. I think some people are thinking that "on stands" means you have them placed under the unibody, with the suspension hanging.
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Re: sub frame connertors
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Mine are 1-5/8 c.m. round tube all tied in from the cage above.
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Re: sub frame connertors
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I used the bolt in style but welded them right off the bat. I didn't want to cut through the floor. I just wanted to stiffen it up, I don't plan on any wheelstands.
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Re: sub frame connertors
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When I welded mine in. I ran the front of the car up on ramps, then jacked the rear up and set it on stands, with the stands place under the rear end housing. This way the car is up in the air and you can work under it, but it is setting on the suspension, just as if it were sitting on the ground. Hope that helps a little. I think some people are thinking that "on stands" means you have them placed under the unibody, with the suspension hanging.
Here is your answer.
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