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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530970
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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530971
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There was something way back about some years of B/E kmembers or boxes that had a different tilt than OE. I dont remember the particulars but that sure seems like a severe rake on the adj sleeve angle tho I know pics can be misleading. Stay on it & holler how it goes. EDIT k.i.s.s. It would appear (just from the pic) that the pitman does not drop down far enough

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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: RapidRobert] #1530972
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This may get a little lengthy, Here is my thought process. The steering box is bolted to the K frame no adjustment, the lower control arm goes through the K frame no adjustment up or down. The torsion bar goes into the lower control arm. In other words it's all fixed. So looking at it its either the steering box is wrong or the pitman angle or drop is wrong. Or the center link could be wrong. First question is any way to tell if the center link is correct for the car? 2nd are there different manual steering boxes ie longer shaft.

Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530973
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Keep in mind anything could be wrong. This is how I got the car. Although it's numbers matching and pretty complete anything could have been replaced/misplaced substituted ect.

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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530974
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Brian,


The pic of the idler arm side, looks good...the drivers side not so good!...I'm gonna say pitman arm, regardless of the fact you put the old arm back on, it may be off another vehicle/body line, and a lot of the aftermarket kits have issues with either the wrong idler or pitman, or both....so I measured the drop of the pitman arm in my 71 Cuda, it's 3 1/2" from the top flat of the spline end to the bottom flat of the arm (rod end) casting, I used a straight edge on the flats to measure so there would be no "eyeballin"....see what drop dem. you have?

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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: DAYCLONA] #1530975
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new one is 3 1/4 the original or old one is 3 1/8 using your method ill post a pic in a few miniutes

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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530976
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Any Ideas on the steering box and center link? Any way to tell if they are correct. Are there more than one manual steering box that looks like mine.

Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530977
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Was told long ago there was three strearing box,s
c body a.b.e body and truck
I know b/e body box are the same so...


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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530978
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You could do this, but something is wrong? Either the mount on the k-frame is bent/wrong. Or the steering box or idler and pitman arm?


Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530979
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I bought both pitman and idler from Rich Erenberg. The grease fitting hits the torsion bar. The one I took off seemed original and you could see where it had been rubbing the torsion bar also. I will grease then replace grease fitting with a plug. As i recall some cars from long ago came with plugs instead of grease fitting. We always had a box of various fitting to do an initial grease job.

Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: dan9] #1530980
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Brian,
Is there a part number on the center link?


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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: jeff968] #1530981
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No part number on center link. But there is a number on the steering box. I have to take it out to read it.

Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: brads70] #1530982
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Brad the drawing you showed is interesting. I can tell the left side is higher. The K frame appears to be straight no signs of damage. The right side clears nicely. It appears to be related to the steering box or pitman arm. Jeff has an extra center link that I will try. If that doesn't work i need to after the steering box of pitman arm. I will get the number off the box and some measurements.







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Here is the number on the steering box 2537349-2 there is a KCP with an oval around it also. From the bottom of the case to the end of the shaft is 2 5/16 inches. From the bottom bolt hole (center) to the end of the shaft is 3 5/16. If anybody can cross that number over to what it belongs to or has a box out that they know is from a 70 cuda manual steering and could measure the same. Thanks

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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530985
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Brian,


I don't know what steering box your part number is.....however, manual boxes, 2537349-1 is 70 A body, and 2537350-6 is 70/1 E body, when it comes to manual boxes I don't follow the interchange (if any?) between the ABEF bodies


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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: DAYCLONA] #1530986
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Hi Brian, I have several manual boxes if you need to look at them or take some measurements. John.

Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: brads70] #1530987
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Quote:

You could do this, but something is wrong? Either the mount on the k-frame is bent/wrong. Or the steering box or idler and pitman arm?






Have you tried the shims as shown in the lower drawing? This is how the factory adjusted clearance torsion bar to tie rod end. Driver side is easier than the passenger side. Just a thought.

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Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: DAYCLONA] #1530988
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Dayclona if those numbers are right then the box is wrong. A body by your numbers. So John (biginchmotor) if you have so extra manual boxes for an E-body I will be calling you. See if any have the number Dayclona put in his reply. Also I have not tried shimming it it's way off like a half inch. Thanks for all the help.

Re: E-body front suspension question [Re: 340swing] #1530989
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Hey John, I'm meeting Brian for lunch on Friday to give him the center link. If you are free join us. We'll get him straightened out


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