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E-body front suspension question #1530950
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I'm installing all new front end parts on my 70 cuda. I purchased all the parts from springs and things. All the parts are mcquaid/norris parts. The left inner tie rod hits the torsion bar. Has any body seen this? I'm not sure on the center link does the curved end go towards the back of the car or front. I have it towards the back not sure if it will make a difference in clearance.

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to the back. iirc someone way back had this problem & the idler and or the pitman arm(s) did not have the same bend/depth as what come off of there


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I'm installing all new front end parts on my 70 cuda. I purchased all the parts from springs and things. All the parts are mcquaid/norris parts. The left inner tie rod hits the torsion bar. Has any body seen this? I'm not sure on the center link does the curved end go towards the back of the car or front. I have it towards the back not sure if it will make a difference in clearance.






center link orientation 70 Challenger/ref., did you change the pitman/steering arm?

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Ok I have the center link in right but the idler and the pitman arms are new. Both from springs and things I guess I will call them. I have the originals I will match them up and see if i can find the problem. Thanks

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Ok I have the center link in right but the idler and the pitman arms are new. Both from springs and things I guess I will call them. I have the originals I will match them up and see if i can find the problem. Thanks








I'd match the pcs up as you stated, I've only used the McQuay/Norris front end kits once, and was disappointed in the quality that they bragged(advertised) about in their components...inspect all the components carefully

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Ok the pitman arm is the problem. It's a little longer. The idler arm looks good. I will call espo springs and things Monday to see if they sent the wrong one or if they have an alternative. Thanks for the responses.

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Also not sure if you can tell in the photo but the splined area is off set on the original and centered on the new one. I also noticed there are two for sale in the e body parts section bill rollic (spelling?) has a nos with the off set. rick erinburgh (spelling?) has a new moog without.

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I would want one with the same length/bend/offset as the original (& of good quality). It was not hitting with the OE one so I'd want to exactly duplicate that to return to that condition. EDIT some Moog stuff may be made in China now

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the splined area is off set on the original and centered on the new one




You guys correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this would not be as important a feature as the actual measured distance from the center of the hole to the center of the pivot on the other end that drops into the center link, comparing parts to each other.
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I believe you should turn them sideways and compare amount of drop from box splined end to pivot end also.
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the splined area is off set on the original and centered on the new one




You guys correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this would not be as important a feature as the actual measured distance from the center of the hole to the center of the pivot on the other end that drops into the center link, comparing parts to each other.
just my
I believe you should turn them sideways and compare amount of drop from box splined end to pivot end also.
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Correct,...importance is how much difference is there in the side profiles, length, drop, and angle of the rod end in relation to the open spline end plane geometry of the two, as this will effect the height of the installed centerlink

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Hate to tell you but I used to sell Mcquaid/Norris back in the 70's and it was junk back then and probably still is now from what I've heard. Don't except much life out of the ball joints and rod ends. We had to drop them cause of all the returns and failures. I had terrible luck with them several times myself.
This was back when their stuff was made in the USA. Just sayin.


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Not what I wanted to here but Moog is made in china for the most part. PST stuff is made who knows where. Mcquid/norris says made in USA any others out there that are know to be good? I have so I'm going with it. I have the PST stuff in my Dart so far no problems. I'm hoping this is just a wrong part not a thats all we have and nobody else has complained thing. I will update as things unfold. Has anybody used the moog pitman arm that Rick Erinburgh is selling.

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Does anybody rebuild pitman arms? Mine is original with the part number on it. But the ball stud end is shot.

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Does anybody rebuild pitman arms? Mine is original with the part number on it. But the ball stud end is shot.




http://www.rareparts.com/

This company does.


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Thanks, I will call them.

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Ok now I'm not sure on the pitman arm. I installed the old one and it hits also. Long story but I bought the car apart (completely) so I cant be 100% sure the parts I'm installing are 100% correct for the car. Laura at ESPO springs and things has been great to work with they are trying to help me. But here are some pictures maybe somebody here can spot something.

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2nd inner tie rod hitting torsion bar

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