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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: 70sixpkrt]
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08/29/13 04:14 PM
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New gas cap fixed that on my '98 Ram. Smearing the rubber seal on the cap with Vaseline fixed it for a while but not long.
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: 70sixpkrt]
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08/30/13 03:05 PM
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Does this dealership have an know how to use a smoke machine? It really is the best/only way to identify Evap leaks. As for having a bad harness, well this is an electrical system and we always explain that to our customers. It can always be a mechanical or electrical issue. Not sure it would need an entire new harness, other than it will save labor hours to replace it all rather than isolate the issue and repair it. My suggestion is find a better place to take your truck to for repairs. Dealerships want easy profitable repairs, not necessarily the time consuming diagnostic and electrical repair stuff. BTW the wiggle test is pretty common diagnostic approach these days. You would be surprised how often it works.
Oh yeah FWIW the last one we had actually had a crack in a rubber grommet that was the issue. The evap line had a rubber connection from the one of the plastic lines that had dried out and cracked. We found it with a smoke machine. After it had been to a shop without one that just kept throwing parts at it. A lot of shop tend the throw parts at evap leaks because they don't want to invest in a smoke machine.
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: 70sixpkrt]
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08/30/13 08:17 PM
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poboyengineering
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wiggling the wires and getting a failure means you have a bad connection or a broken wire. corrosion/fretting/failed crimp, etc...shouldn't be too hard to find. I don't have an FSM handy...what do these circuits control?
It may be ugly, but it sure is slow.
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: poboyengineering]
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08/31/13 12:50 PM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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Corossion and broken wires are common especially here.I dont know how many GM headlights Ive fixed because of crappy soldered connections in the front.I guess they figure it was good enough to get out of warranty so why worry about it.Last front harness I did on a Sunfire cost was almost 600 bucks.Plus mark up and labor.Rocky
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: 70sixpkrt]
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09/07/13 01:38 PM
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I'm dropping off my truck to my mechanic (not dealership) on Monday. He is also stumped. The dealership sounds like they are done with me. They said it is in the wiring harness and too time consuming.
No doubt it will take some time to find the problem. The code you have now is not the same as you started with. So it sounds to me like the original problem is fixed and now you have another problem. The fix only take 5 minutes to correct. The problem is most people don't want to pay for the time to get to the root cause. Its obvious they have isolated the bad circuit. You have to commit to the time it may take to get to the gremlin.
In our shops its straight time on these problems. And when the customer tells me about all the hands that have already tried to fix it I inform them it may even take more time. Most often these problems have several causes. The original root cause and all the others from people working on it that have no business or smarts to comprehend the correct repair procedure. 
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: 70sixpkrt]
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09/09/13 12:51 AM
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The dealership bill is $1400
Gawd, I feel ill just seeing that number.
which I am going to call up Dodge Customer Service to see if they can help me out since it pertains to the Emission.
Thanks, I really appreciate you taking my suggestion. When I had some small leak codes on my '01 Ram the dealership smoke tested the whole system and didn't charge me anything. They came right out and said that emissions were covered after the normal warranty ran out.
And, here's what you should try, but this is just me and only my opinion:
Find another fuel station that has alot of turnover and go get yourself a full tank of 89. Go home, if you have a code reader erase your code. If not, borrow one. Unhook your battery cables overnight, plan a nice long highway trip, hook 'em back up and go. Fill your tank again from the same pump, and keep drivin'. If the code comes back just erase it and keep driving. Don't unhook the battery again, just keep putting the miles on and run the same fuel.
It can take a few tanks of fuel to do this while the computer re-learns what's happening. If all goes well that code will go away and leave you alone. Go back to 87 octane and everything should be fine.
I've been around the block with my 2001 Ram on small and large leak codes, and it always goes away. You just have to give it time and the computers don't leave any room for error if you get sh!t fuel, which in this day and age happens alot.
PM me if you like, I'd like to know how you make out. Hope this helps you.
Mo' Farts
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: Todd]
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09/09/13 02:56 PM
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South San Francisco, Ca
70sixpkrt
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[They found high resistance (open circuit) when wiggled at circuit k52?
Why change the harness? No need to spend that kind of cash. If the problem is the wiring and not because of a loose or backed out pin in a connector why in the world wouldn't they just over lay a wire. That's what I was taught in the basic electrical classes years ago by Chrysler. /quote]
I think they just don't want tp spend the time anymore. I have been there 3 times in the last 3 weeks. I think they are getting tired of me and are trying to shoo me away.
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: Grizzly]
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10/04/13 09:35 AM
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Marysville, O-H-I-O
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The dealership bill is $1400
Gawd, I feel ill just seeing that number.
which I am going to call up Dodge Customer Service to see if they can help me out since it pertains to the Emission.
Thanks, I really appreciate you taking my suggestion. When I had some small leak codes on my '01 Ram the dealership smoke tested the whole system and didn't charge me anything. They came right out and said that emissions were covered after the normal warranty ran out.
And, here's what you should try, but this is just me and only my opinion:
Find another fuel station that has alot of turnover and go get yourself a full tank of 89. Go home, if you have a code reader erase your code. If not, borrow one. Unhook your battery cables overnight, plan a nice long highway trip, hook 'em back up and go. Fill your tank again from the same pump, and keep drivin'. If the code comes back just erase it and keep driving. Don't unhook the battery again, just keep putting the miles on and run the same fuel.
It can take a few tanks of fuel to do this while the computer re-learns what's happening. If all goes well that code will go away and leave you alone. Go back to 87 octane and everything should be fine.
I've been around the block with my 2001 Ram on small and large leak codes, and it always goes away. You just have to give it time and the computers don't leave any room for error if you get sh!t fuel, which in this day and age happens alot.
PM me if you like, I'd like to know how you make out. Hope this helps you.
I could see that happening with say, a mis-fire code, but how in the world does quality or octane of gas have anything to do with a system that puts vacuum on a fuel tank?
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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10/04/13 10:38 AM
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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there?
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10/05/13 12:20 AM
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The dealership bill is $1400
Gawd, I feel ill just seeing that number.
which I am going to call up Dodge Customer Service to see if they can help me out since it pertains to the Emission.
Thanks, I really appreciate you taking my suggestion. When I had some small leak codes on my '01 Ram the dealership smoke tested the whole system and didn't charge me anything. They came right out and said that emissions were covered after the normal warranty ran out.
And, here's what you should try, but this is just me and only my opinion:
Find another fuel station that has alot of turnover and go get yourself a full tank of 89. Go home, if you have a code reader erase your code. If not, borrow one. Unhook your battery cables overnight, plan a nice long highway trip, hook 'em back up and go. Fill your tank again from the same pump, and keep drivin'. If the code comes back just erase it and keep driving. Don't unhook the battery again, just keep putting the miles on and run the same fuel.
It can take a few tanks of fuel to do this while the computer re-learns what's happening. If all goes well that code will go away and leave you alone. Go back to 87 octane and everything should be fine.
I've been around the block with my 2001 Ram on small and large leak codes, and it always goes away. You just have to give it time and the computers don't leave any room for error if you get sh!t fuel, which in this day and age happens alot.
PM me if you like, I'd like to know how you make out. Hope this helps you.
I could see that happening with say, a mis-fire code, but how in the world does quality or octane of gas have anything to do with a system that puts vacuum on a fuel tank?
Don't know, but it worked for me.
Mo' Farts
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If the problem is the wiring and not because of a loose or backed out pin in a connector why in the world wouldn't they just over lay a wire. That's what I was taught in the basic electrical classes years ago by Chrysler. 
