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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build
[Re: BSB67]
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01/20/13 12:15 AM
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The 2295 piston has a 12 cc dome and with a 78 cc head should be way more than 11:1. Maybe more like 12:1 
These did not have a 12 cc dome...it was actually a little less than 10.
...and this was far from a zero-deck.
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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build
[Re: BluCuda]
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01/20/13 12:47 AM
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What are the specs of the Ultradyne cam you had and how did it perform on the street and track before it broke?
I don't have the grind # handy at the moment, but the duration @ .050 was in the 250s and it had .588 lift. It was a breeze to drive on the street. Obviously it was far from a smooth, stock idle, but stop and go driving was not an issue. As I stated earlier, everybody has a different idea of what is streetable. My wife never had an issue with it though...never had to be 2 footed & it did not load up on us.
Plenty of power for what it was. The car ran 11.50's in the same exact form it is driven on the street...even with the baby seat in the back. I'll probably buy the same grind again when a 'new' motor goes together. I'm still disappointed the cam was damaged when the old short block signed off.
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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build
[Re: Blues_Cuda]
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01/20/13 02:17 AM
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Madison Wi
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Id really like to post some sarcastic comments about how people are always telling us not to use those heavy 6 pack rods and 2295 pistons, and how purple shafts are old antiquated technology, and blah blah blah.... But honestly I am just really glad to see someone using the old school tech and making it work.  Kudos....
I used to care but....... things have changed
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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build
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01/20/13 09:33 AM
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Prospect, PA
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The 2295 piston has a 12 cc dome and with a 78 cc head should be way more than 11:1. Maybe more like 12:1
These did not have a 12 cc dome...it was actually a little less than 10.
...and this was far from a zero-deck.
I'm just going buy what the manufacturer says. Apparently you did a down fill. Certainly the devil is in the details. The 2295 will sit about 0.040 below a cleaned-up deck, which is what I used in my estimate. Could be 0.050-ish in an untouched block.
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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build
[Re: BSB67]
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01/20/13 03:56 PM
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The 2295 piston has a 12 cc dome and with a 78 cc head should be way more than 11:1. Maybe more like 12:1
These did not have a 12 cc dome...it was actually a little less than 10.
...and this was far from a zero-deck.
I'm just going buy what the manufacturer says. Apparently you did a down fill. Certainly the devil is in the details. The 2295 will sit about 0.040 below a cleaned-up deck, which is what I used in my estimate. Could be 0.050-ish in an untouched block.
If you do the math and assuming the pistons are .045-055 in the hole which is normal for a 2295 piston and even with a 12cc dome, 11 to 1 isn't far off. With a 1009 gasket,assuming .050 in the hole and 78cc head, I get 11.27 to 1.
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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build
[Re: buck440]
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01/20/13 11:21 PM
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A 509 cam will make good power installed at 102 (no later than 104) depending on if you do some porting to the stealth's you could be from - 30 hp to maybe a few more with the 509.
my stealth's are ported. how does one go about the install at 102? ialso have a team g intake with dominator flange port matched plannin on runnin a 1050.carb that is lol.
You have to get a cam degree wheel and degree the cam if you want to do it right, or you can just take your chances and get a multi keyway timing chain set and just install it at 6 degrees advanced, I believe the 509 has a 108 intake lobe centerline so 108-6 = 102.
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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build
[Re: 67Satty]
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01/21/13 06:53 PM
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Between a rock & a hard place
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GREAT post! Love the low/no dollar stuff. Funny I just scored a 30K mile 360, balanced, decked, ported (235-ish cfm) **Correction: Cyl head guy says they went 245...we'll see!** 587-heads, airgap, 236 degree hyd cam from a buddy's brother for $500, less carb. I'll leak it, look at the bearings, touch up the VJ and re-flow the heads and plop in my Dart streeter. With a 10" converter and 3.91's I'm hoping to sneak a 11.90-something from it.
Same friend, several years ago: I gave him $400 for a domed piston, well built 383 shortblock (less cam) that had been 11.20's in his 3400 # car. I had a set of 452 heads laying around (260 @ .600") and another friend had a .613" Ultradyne cam laying around. So, this is what it cost me:
SB - $400
Heads - (IIRC, I had about $400 invested not including my time.)
Cam - Free
Lifters - $70
Pushrods - Free from the shortblock guy
Rockers/Springs - $100 (Isky iron and MP double springs, NIB)
M1 Intake $75 swap meet
1050 Dom $250 swap meet
Cobbled together Mopar lean burn dist - Free
MSD - Free that "didn't work". Sent it to MSD and they fixed it for $40!
Pro Parts headers - $150, plus sandblast time and paint
Converter - "J" $250
Trans - 727 Core, $150 for OH kit, MVB that I had in stock.
$200-300 in misc stuff...
All bolted in a 3000# caged, tubbed, A-Body roller bracket car that I paid $2500 (complete) for.
For just a tad over $4K it went 10.60's @ 125 through bullet muffs.
It was no show car, but I wish I kept it...even though I made a good profit when I sold it...LOL!
Last edited by cudadoug; 01/22/13 01:06 PM.
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My car has a LOT of old DC and MP stuff in it.It doesn't matter if the engine has old school parts or the "new and improved"..if it still runs what it's supposed to and the money at the track is the same,then why bother,especially if the stuff on the shelf is gathering dust.
