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440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build #1372049
01/19/13 02:35 AM
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I've been seeing a lot of posts on dyno results lately, so I just wanted to throw my dyno session out there for conversation sake.

My approach is a little different, however. Rather than a high dollar build, this old school engine is comprised of used parts that I already had in my possession and an old unwanted shortblock a buddy of mine had in his garage.

Back in late August, the 440 cast crank shortblock in my wife's '70 Barracuda finally let go after many years of hard service. I do not have any discretionary income for cars at this point, so we threw something together to hold me over until I can build a 'proper' engine. (Whenever that may be...)

Here are some quick details:

-'72 440 HP2 shortblock with six pack rods and .030 TRW L2295 pistons. It was rebuilt back in the 90's and has unknown miles. It had been sitting in my buddies garage for a while, but the cylinders looked decent. I pulled the rod and main caps...the bearings looked OK. Rather than tear it down and potentionally open up a can of worms, I just let it go the way it was. Definitely not something I was excited about with the heavy rods and heavy pistons down in the hole, but the price was right @ only $300.

- .590 MP solid cam and lifters...used and showing more wear than I would have liked, but it was free. (Could not use the Ultradyne solid cam from the blown up motor, for it was in 3 pcs.) Installed @ 103.

- 906 heads and single plane M1 from the old engine. Heads flow around 270 @ .600 lift on the intake. I'm having a brain fart on how the exhaust flows, but it is respectable. The heads are 78cc if I remember correctly. Overall, a very nice pair of iron heads that are done right. (I'm fortunate enough to have a brother in that line of work.) The M1 has had some plenum work done to it. A basically stock AED 850 Holley. Also like to add that even though the cam was destroyed in the old engine, there were no bent pushrods or any valvetrain damage other than 1 bent valve. How, I do not know...just got lucky I guess.

-We welded up the 2 holes in the old Moroso pan, beat the Milodon windage tray back into shape, put on some fresh Fel Pro 1009s and had a replacement engine for a total of $500 minus fluids.

My brother had a few favors due to him with a buddy that has a Superflow dyno in his shop, so I was able to have a dyno day on December 1st. (A big thanks to my brother for that...no cost to me other than my time and the only reason this dyno session happened in the first place. Let's face it...I could not warrant spending $$$ on a dyno session for a $500 engine. )

We did 10 pulls before calling it a day. Basically 550hp and 550ft lbs of torque...thankfully all under 6000rpm since the thought of spinning this thing any higher scares me. (Using the Hooker Comps off of the Barracuda, a 6AL box, and spinning a factory water pump.)

The Barracuda previously ran 11.50s @ 118mph in 100% street trim with the old cast crank 440. (3825lbs with me behind the wheel.) This replacement engine feels more powerful on the street than the last, but I'll have to wait till spring to see what kind of numbers it will lay down at the track. Everybody has their own opinion of streetable, but this one drives around town just as nice as the old engine. I will run race gas a little more often due to the compression going up .6 pts from the last combo, but it's not like we drive the car more than 100 miles a weekend as it is.

My 2yr old son colored all over my dyno sheets, but he did spare one. This printout is not the best pull of the day, but it will give you an idea of how the numbers look. I know we left some power on the table, but I was pretty happy with the results.

Again, I just wanted to throw this dyno session out there for the guys that do not have the resources for 'good' stuff. Is it a 'proper' build? Heck No. How long will the engine last? I don't know. For only a $500 investment, I'm not overly concerned.

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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372050
01/19/13 03:18 AM
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Nice build, I've had very similar builds since I'm usually on a tight budget as well.
Have fun!

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372051
01/19/13 03:36 AM
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Looks like it wasn't going in the hole full tilt at 6300 RPM @round 1500 RPM spread between peak HP and peak torque ,that old 590 is working good Sometimes it pays to use your old junk I have with similar results


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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: moparmanjames] #1372052
01/19/13 05:03 AM
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Very respectable. Love those low buck builds. Sometimes its just more satisfying to do more with less. Built a 360 last year for around $700 that made 442 HP. Probably my favorite engine build.

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: skrews] #1372053
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Thanks for sharing. That's a better torque curve than I would have expected from such a big cam. Maybe I WILL try that camshaft.

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: viperblue72] #1372054
01/19/13 10:31 AM
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Nice!! That is almost the same engine like my old 446"...That lasted me 9 or 10 years!


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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: tboomer] #1372055
01/19/13 10:52 AM
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Thanks for sharing! A great low buck combo that shows that some "old school" parts still work just fine.

Did you verify the CR? I am wondering what is was. Also, what's the valve train? Rockers, ratio, springs?

Those heads, "done right" are working well for 906's.

Scott

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372056
01/19/13 11:01 AM
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Cool.... another cheapo engine... I did the same thing
with a small block for my Rampage... its all stuff
I had laying around the shop except I bought pistons....
You were lean on that whole run... hope you fattened it up

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: skrews] #1372057
01/19/13 11:23 AM
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That's the way to do it. No need to spend thousands of $$$ on an engine.


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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Scott58] #1372058
01/19/13 01:00 PM
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Quote:

Thanks for sharing! A great low buck combo that shows that some "old school" parts still work just fine.

Did you verify the CR? I am wondering what is was. Also, what's the valve train? Rockers, ratio, springs?

Those heads, "done right" are working well for 906's.

Scott




10.989:1 compression, so I just call it 11:1.

Simple valvetrain...Crane gold 1.5 rockers with Smith Bros adjusters, Comp dual springs, retainers and Smith Bros pushrods. (All from the old engine.)

I credit my brother for the engine making the power that it does. It would have been a 450hp engine if he was not involved.

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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372059
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Quote:

Quote:

Thanks for sharing! A great low buck combo that shows that some "old school" parts still work just fine.

Did you verify the CR? I am wondering what is was. Also, what's the valve train? Rockers, ratio, springs?

Those heads, "done right" are working well for 906's.

Scott




10.989:1 compression, so I just call it 11:1.

Simple valvetrain...Crane gold 1.5 rockers with Smith Bros adjusters, Comp dual springs, retainers and Smith Bros pushrods. (All from the old engine.)

I credit my brother for the engine making the power that it does. It would have been a 450hp engine if he was not involved.




With a 1050 that thing might make 600hp.

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: moparmanjames] #1372060
01/19/13 01:43 PM
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Here is a short clip of how it sounds open exhaust. Definitely nothing to look at in this video...just the sound.

440 on dyno-open exhaust

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372061
01/19/13 01:45 PM
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Here is how it sounds in my wife's Barracuda. Sounds just like the old engine actually.

440 in the Barracuda

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372062
01/19/13 02:12 PM
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Sadly, those "Goodguy" kinda deals on used shortblocks aren't very common.

Thanks for posting otherwise. Always cool to see what others pull together on a budget. The old school Mopar stuff was used over a long period of time for a reason.

Personally, a hearty strip/strip combo that runs a respectable number is what it's all about.


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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372063
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Retty tuff to beat 1$ per hp!!


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Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: gregsdart] #1372064
01/19/13 02:34 PM
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Had a very similar 440 build in my 70 bee drag car. Except I did buy the eddy rpm heads. Went 10.5s @ 128mph. Have to love the old mopars.

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372065
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With 11 to 1 and that cam I'll bet it would run fine on 93 octane?
What cranking compression does it give you??

I used to run an Ultradyne .597/.620 lift 263/271 @ .050 with 906 heads
at 11.5 to 1 it was fine with 94 and 38 total later we bumped it to 12.2 to 1 and then it needed 40% 110 and 60% 94 (or it's what i ran at the track) and on the street turned the timing back to 34 total and ran straight 94

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Blues_Cuda] #1372066
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The 2295 piston has a 12 cc dome and with a 78 cc head should be way more than 11:1. Maybe more like 12:1

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Dodgem] #1372067
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very nice!

Re: 440 Dyno Results - My $500 Build [Re: Quicksilver440] #1372068
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What are the specs of the Ultradyne cam you had and how did it perform on the street and track before it broke?

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