Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: WheelsUp73]
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07/23/12 11:14 PM
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Here is my friends car. He has a big tire on the car but is still peels back from the bead at high speed. Bead locks are required for cars 200 mph or faster. Screws will hold just fine. http://youtu.be/Mq74hLBlZxA
there are plenty of damaged, wrecked small tire cars and current information that would prove that 15-yr old 200-mph theory dead wrong. the OP is dead accurate with what he posted.
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: racerbychoice]
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07/23/12 11:49 PM
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I lost a 17x34.5 off of a 16" wide wheel on my altered but never lost a true 10.5 off my 12" wide wheel.....I know in this picture i have bead locks but the car has been its fastest with regular wheels.
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: racerbychoice]
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07/24/12 12:13 AM
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Here is my friends car. He has a big tire on the car but is still peels back from the bead at high speed. Bead locks are required for cars 200 mph or faster. Screws will hold just fine. http://youtu.be/Mq74hLBlZxA
there are plenty of damaged, wrecked small tire cars and current information that would prove that 15-yr old 200-mph theory dead wrong. the OP is dead accurate with what he posted.
dj
Its not a myth, is an NHRA rule. So what did all the fast cars do before beadlocks? We raced Comp Eliminator in the 80s and there were no bead locks. We all ran rim screws.
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: Crizila]
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07/24/12 01:13 AM
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the wheel is to wide for the tire...
the tread should be equal or a bit wider that the rim width...tires grow with speed and having tall series sidewalls...there's a reason for bead locks
Yep!!
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: rowin4]
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07/24/12 01:13 AM
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20lbs heavier, but look cool as [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] and easier to change tires.
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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07/24/12 02:57 PM
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Pretty common practice with the true 10.5 and 8.5 stuff to run a wheel widerthan the tire tread width. I have NEVER seen it as an issue. Our tires are always installed BY the manufacter at the track. In fact M/T suggests a larger size wheel to increase the footprint. Some folks just dont get it.
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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07/24/12 07:33 PM
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20lbs heavier, but look cool as [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] and easier to change tires.
Bob, ur exactly right, they do look cool. And Charlie has beadlocks, and said the same thing, they are SLOW!
Pretty common practice with the true 10.5 and 8.5 stuff to run a wheel widerthan the tire tread width. I have NEVER seen it as an issue. Our tires are always installed BY the manufacter at the track. In fact M/T suggests a larger size wheel to increase the footprint. Some folks just dont get it. Al, most of our slicks probably do the same thing on a wheel the size of the tread or bigger, we just never saw it,lol. Hense the 20 rim screws per side on his wheels!
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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07/24/12 08:22 PM
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Pretty common practice with the true 10.5 and 8.5 stuff to run a wheel widerthan the tire tread width. I have NEVER seen it as an issue. Our tires are always installed BY the manufacter at the track. In fact M/T suggests a larger size wheel to increase the footprint. Some folks just dont get it.
X2....
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: EvilB1Dart]
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07/25/12 03:26 PM
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Perhaps some of you replying here to the post should actually get out got the track and ask the manufacturers what they suggest for these tires in these types of applications. I do and have I also race one of these cars. The same class as the video is from. We all run 12" wheels as suggested we do from the manufacturer of the tire M/T for a 29.5x10.5 tire. On the outlaw 8.5 tire we use a 10"'wide rim as suggested by the tire techs from M/T.
The reasoning behind why we do has been pointed out here already. We get a bigger footprint and can run more air in the tires. But you can just read them catalogs and use those conservative recommendations. For those of us trying to truly maximize our programs we will continue to work with all the manufacturers to get the most we can from our cars.
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Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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07/25/12 06:16 PM
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It doesn't have a 509 cam, super stock springs, cop car or rallye wheels, nor a pinion snubber. . . . I wouldn't expect some of you to understand. Charlie has forgotten more race wins than many of us will ever have.
I'm Gumby dammit!
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