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Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel #1272441 07/23/12 04:03 AM 07/23/12 04:03 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,334 Heaven EvilB1Dart OP master
EvilB1Dart OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,334 Heaven	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2rnGg6Tnfg&feature=youtube_gdata Notice how the tire is separating from the inner side of the rim lip during the burnout and the pass with video on the wheel. Another reason why I like beadlocked wheels on a fast car. These wheels have a ton of rim screws, but that's kinda scary. Wide wheel with little tire;commonly used.

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: EvilB1Dart] #1272442 07/23/12 06:37 AM 07/23/12 06:37 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,145 Melbourne , Australia LA360 master
LA360 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,145 Melbourne , Australia	That is kinda scary! I think that realistically, that car needs bead locks, I don't think I have ever seen a rear wheel with that many rim screws! Alan Jones

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: LA360] #1272443 07/23/12 06:49 AM 07/23/12 06:49 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,393 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,393 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Another DR guy that would have been DQ'd at our track before he staged....Can't go past the line doing a burnout with a door car. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: EvilB1Dart] #1272444 07/23/12 10:11 AM 07/23/12 10:11 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I'm wondering if its just a radial thing... but you could see that it pulled in to the screws(and he sure has enough of them... if I had to put that many in I would have gone to bead locks)

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: EvilB1Dart] #1272445 07/23/12 10:18 AM 07/23/12 10:18 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	I've seen video of Pro Stock cars from years ago that would seperate the tire from the wheel. Wes, do you know what tire/wheel combination he's running? looks like a 275 on a 12" wheel. Whatever it is the tire looks really small for the wheel.

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: LA360] #1272446 07/23/12 10:37 AM 07/23/12 10:37 AM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	He is running a slick. It is not a drag radial. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: Dragula] #1272447 07/23/12 10:39 AM 07/23/12 10:39 AM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Another DR guy that would have been DQ'd at our track before he staged....Can't go past the line doing a burnout with a door car. So a outlaw 10.5 car can't go past the starting line on the burnout at your track? Wow I guess you don't run any of them there. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: EvilB1Dart] #1272448 07/23/12 10:54 AM 07/23/12 10:54 AM
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smokinwoody I Live Here S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere	the wheel is to wide for the tire... the tread should be equal or a bit wider that the rim width...tires grow with speed and having tall series sidewalls...there's a reason for bead locks

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: 1967dartgt] #1272449 07/23/12 01:37 PM 07/23/12 01:37 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,393 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,393 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: Quote: Another DR guy that would have been DQ'd at our track before he staged....Can't go past the line doing a burnout with a door car. So a outlaw 10.5 car can't go past the starting line on the burnout at your track? Wow I guess you don't run any of them there. We get a couple of them now and again...Can't say I have seen a whole class of them run. Still not allowed to go past the beams...DQ'd! '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: Dragula] #1272450 07/23/12 01:49 PM 07/23/12 01:49 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,327 south central,Pa mopar_to_ya pro stock
mopar_to_ya pro stock Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,327 south central,Pa	For the record; Charlie doesnt run a radial tire, he runs a 28x10.5 stiff side wall slick. He's has many championships with NMCA and NMRA Hotstreet and Pro Stock under his belt with that stang! Charlie is a good guy! And by the way, that car now sports a Pro flight trans. It's a bigblock with a torque flight!!!

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: mopar_to_ya] #1272451 07/23/12 02:17 PM 07/23/12 02:17 PM
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Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	I wouldnt call that a separation, it just grew and when a tire grown it narrows lifting the sidwall off the bead edge. If there was an issue with that ET and power level it would have showed its ugly face by now. Rim could be a tad wide for the tire, but I dont see a huge deal there, kinda neat accually.

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: mopar_to_ya] #1272452 07/23/12 03:20 PM 07/23/12 03:20 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,393 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,393 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: Charlie is a good guy! And by the way, that car now sports a Pro flight trans. Who's making those? And what is it exactly? I see Transact has a set of straight cut gears comming out and a conversion to convert a 727 into a two speed trans with different 1st gear ratios available soon according to their website. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: smokinwoody] #1272453 07/23/12 04:43 PM 07/23/12 04:43 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: the wheel is to wide for the tire... the tread should be equal or a bit wider that the rim width...tires grow with speed and having tall series sidewalls...there's a reason for bead locks Yep!! Fastest 300

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: EvilB1Dart] #1272454 07/23/12 05:57 PM 07/23/12 05:57 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,334 Heaven EvilB1Dart OP master
EvilB1Dart OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,334 Heaven	Yeah I know its Charlie's car and what he's done with it. Reason there hasn't been a mishap is because of the amount of screws he runs and the fact that he changes tires like we do underwear. To the average guy who runs pass after pass using up the tire as much as possible, this could be dangerous on a fast car. Its the reason why I posted it. Its most likely a 12" or 13" wheel with a 28 x 10.5 sitting on it. Thats what most of the NMRA Hot Street and SuperStreet Outlaw boys run on. Glidden use to run a ton of screws on his wheels a while ago UNTIL a tire came off in testing on the old black car (tire separated itself from the wheel and screws). But that car was always UP N GONE in the 60' like a Pro Stock car.....lol. Beadlocks from then on......

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: EvilB1Dart] #1272455 07/23/12 08:51 PM 07/23/12 08:51 PM
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Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	Yeah, I think if I saw that on my car there would be beadlocks on it the next time out. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: Guitar Jones] #1272456 07/23/12 09:44 PM 07/23/12 09:44 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Yeah, I think if I saw that on my car there would be beadlocks on it the next time out. How about just getting the right size wheels for the tires. There is an accident waiting to happen - not to mention not getting good use of the tire foot print. Fastest 300

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: Crizila] #1272457 07/23/12 09:50 PM 07/23/12 09:50 PM
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Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	Quote: Quote: Yeah, I think if I saw that on my car there would be beadlocks on it the next time out. How about just getting the right size wheels for the tires. There is an accident waiting to happen - not to mention not getting good use of the tire foot print. A lot of racers, especially the small tire guys are using wider wheels by an inch or so of the tread width. I think the reasoning is that they can run more air pressure and keep a flatter footprint, at least that's what I heard. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: Crizila] #1272458 07/23/12 09:56 PM 07/23/12 09:56 PM
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WheelsUp73 enthusiast W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 369 California, USA!!!	Here is my friends car. He has a big tire on the car but is still peels back from the bead at high speed. Bead locks are required for cars 200 mph or faster. Screws will hold just fine. http://youtu.be/Mq74hLBlZxA http://youtu.be/fAP_2rxz_GA

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: Guitar Jones] #1272459 07/23/12 10:13 PM 07/23/12 10:13 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: Quote: Quote: Yeah, I think if I saw that on my car there would be beadlocks on it the next time out. How about just getting the right size wheels for the tires. There is an accident waiting to happen - not to mention not getting good use of the tire foot print. A lot of racers, especially the small tire guys are using wider wheels by an inch or so of the tread width. I think the reasoning is that they can run more air pressure and keep a flatter footprint, at least that's what I heard. I wouldn't drive it. I would just about guarantee that combo is outside the tire manufacturers rim size recommendation - and there sure as hell is more than 1" difference. Rim screws were never ment to be utilized as bead locks. Glad I don't race at his track. Fastest 300

Re: Check out this video...tire separating from the wheel [Re: Crizila] #1272460 07/23/12 10:44 PM 07/23/12 10:44 PM
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'72CudaRacer top fuel ' Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,047 Mooresburg, Tn	Don't most of the fast stockers run a 12" wheel with a 9" tire? Gives a wider foot print I think. Not going 150 mph though. Brian Dunnigan

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