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Ladder bar bending the diagonal link,UPDATE #1160778
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I was under my Dister last week and seen that the diagonal link is bending in the middle I do drive it on the street as well as race it several times a year, any suggestions on how to fix it? Or what to do different on the rear suspension to fix it? I fianally got around to taking a picture of the bent diagonal link, it is bent up in the middle and to the right side of the car. The picture amy not show that but that is what it looks lie to me I couldn't find this post so I started another one Please look at this picture and tell me what you think is going on I di add some more information to the other psot on how I adjsuted the diagonal link the last time I put it in, I had to replace it when the ladder bar mounts broke off of the 8 3/4 because of one of the hiem joints in the original link was frozen up and broke off when I treid to adjust it putting it back in the car I had a truck Dana 60 cut down locally and there is around a 1/2 inch toe in on the new set up I'm taking the rear end out now and taking it to Dutchmen in Portland to have that corrected, I'll check the link for straighteness and call 1/4 Max(all thier parts) and ask them the way they want the link installed and adjusted and how to set the ladder bars up in the car as far as straightness

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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: Cab_Burge] #1160779
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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: Cab_Burge] #1160780
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what size i it? that is probably one of the reasons they tell you not to run one on a street car.

Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: Quicktree] #1160781
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I run one on my street car and never had that problem. Are the joints on the diag free without any binds ? Are the joints on the bars worn ?


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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: Cab_Burge] #1160782
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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: Cab_Burge] #1160783
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I was under my Dister last week and seen that the diagonal link is bending in the middle I do drive it on the street as well as race it several times a year, any suggestions on how to fix it? Or what to do different on the rear suspension to fix it?




So if its bending, its binding, or it is under severe compression, but that would be surprising as to why its not ever under tension and straightening the bend back out. Not the case of the mysterious bent front brake strut bar?

And CM would likely not resolve any of your issues enough to be a worthwhile change IMO.


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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: jcc] #1160784
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if the diagonal is bending, do the brackets on the rear or the front crossmember show any signs of stress ?

Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: moparx] #1160785
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I run 1 1/8 CM and put a gusset on the rear ladder
bar bracket(its too far out in space for any side loading)

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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1160786
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I made mine from 1" DOM - 1/4" thick wall because I heard of this happening.

Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: ] #1160787
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steet cars need panhard bars.....if you make the daigonal link better then the ladder bar bracket is next, then the gusset, then........ I have built X braces for street cars.


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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: bigtimeauto] #1160788
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can you post a pic?

Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: rebel] #1160789
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can you post a pic?


^^what he said^^

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can you post a pic?


^^what he said^^




A pic of a panhard bar?


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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: bigtimeauto] #1160791
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Either its super weak or something is binding

Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: Cab_Burge] #1160792
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You might try adding on to your diagonal and make it an"X".

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You might try adding on to your diagonal and make it an"X".




Correct


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Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: bigtimeauto] #1160794
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can you post a pic?


^^what he said^^




A pic of a panhard bar?


No i was refereeing to the x brace.

Re: Ladder bar suspension bending the diagonal link [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1160795
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I run 1 1/8 CM and put a gusset on the rear ladder
bar bracket(its too far out in space for any side loading)





We went the same route as Mr. P after we bent our track locator. Solid as a rock now! The alston bar was only 7/8 diameter.

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Here is a picture of the bent diagonal link, see my first post on top of this post for information update or the other new post I started earlier today on this problem 2nd attempt to attach picture

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3rd attempt to attach that picture

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Could you have hit a pot hole or do you need some curb scrapers cab?

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Post hijack alert!!! Cab, What micron screen is in your pre-pump filter? Also, how much higher is your fuel pump than the sump? I'm just seening some potential fuel delivery issues and trying to be constructive, not pointing out any flaws.

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Cab...thats an iddy biddy diagonal you have there..

I know there isnt suppose to be that much side load unless you are taking corners pretty hard or something smacked it hard from above like bottoming out a suspension and having the driveshaft hit it..

I would install a beefier one like suggested....

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Cab...thats an iddy biddy diagonal you have there..

I know there isnt suppose to be that much side load unless you are taking corners pretty hard or something smacked it hard from above like bottoming out a suspension and having the driveshaft hit it..

I would install a beefier one like suggested....




The drive shaft sould be moving the same amount as
the dia link so it shouldnt hit... unless he took
the shocks off and let the diff hang way down...
thats a cornering or a hit that bent it (tooo wimpy)

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Post hijack alert!!! Cab, What micron screen is in your pre-pump filter? Also, how much higher is your fuel pump than the sump? I'm just seening some potential fuel delivery issues and trying to be constructive, not pointing out any flaws.


The pump entrance is lower than the sump outlet. That is a Aeromtive screen filter, 100 Microns if my memory is serving me correctly I did have a BG 500 filter on it before with there 10 micron paper element filter on it before and it did affect the pump That was my fault Once that was corrected I found that the motor needed .120 needles and seats to be able to jet the carbs. up enough the fatten the AFR enough to slow the car down in the 1/4 MPH It never ends


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Read up on compressive buckling and slenderness ratio (length to diameter). Think of a pushrod, they fail in the same manner. Go to a bigger diameter (increases the area moment of inertia, I). Changing to 4130 from mild steel won't help since the modulus of elasticity is about the same.


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