If anyone has had the pleasure to use ECS to buy any of there great products like I have on numerous occasions, Dave is not making any money on shipping his products to your door. He is doing everything possible to make this right. The packaging may be expensive but will be worth it. If anyone out there is going to b**** and complain about it, order your carpet from the vendors that send you s*** that is to short, does not fit, and inferior in quality.