Cant swear to the type but I beleive they are stock style (can with the car when I bought it, no box, short block asseook it mbled, I just took it apart to check and clean everything, been sitting awhile). They have never been run and not pumped up, I considered priming and spinning the engine to try to pump them up but I cant see that it would help me.I know what you mean about the finger roll being deceiving at times, depending on the lifter they can bleed off pretty quickly.

So if I understand you correctly, tighten them to barely contact the pnucher and tighten them 3/4 of a turn and lock them down and I will be in the set 'em and forget 'em crowd.

Thanks a lot folks, that makes me feel better.