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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: Seth_Jones]
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02/08/06 11:14 PM
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Dave Watt
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Here is an updated list of the date codes and casting numbers on some of my parts.
Last edited by Dave_Watt; 02/14/06 09:51 PM.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: M_code_Coop]
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05/02/06 08:37 AM
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SixBBL69Boy
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OK, I made it to my fathers to check out dates for you. Thought I would share with all, that's why not private. Here we go, lots of info.
Car # 167 (RM23M9A285669)
Car was ordered (dealer form) 3-12-69 dealer # 63928.
Advance Dealer Shipping Notice dated 5-22-69
S.O.Number given - 426-AR-949611 (build date & order Number) Price $3,086.49
Invoice to Dealer dated 6-5-69 list #4050-01-2004
(what is this list number ??)
Invoice Number - 426-AR-949611
was paid for by dealer 6-12-69 $3,086.49
Carrier Notice Number 19-99263 dated 6-17-69
with exception number 3464 (what might this be?)
Signed for on same day 6-17-69 by Bob Malcom (dealer)
Invoice to owner dated 6-19-69
$3,745.90
$ 135.00 Tax Title
$3,880.90 Total car
$1,225.90 Trade in
$2,655.00 Finance Total - 3yrs @ $88.29 a month
What a deal!!!
Block info -
Casting Date 5-21-69 Cast # 2536430-7
EDA - 5-28 (there is a upside down B above the 8.
I Hope this helps you, and everyone that has questions of how things progressed.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: M_code_Coop]
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06/06/06 12:11 PM
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 Based on what I was reading in this section I'm sure you or one of the other guys can answer this basic engine yr vs model yr question in a flash... If you have a car, say 1970, that was built Sept-Dec of the prior yr (1969).... Exactly what would be stamped on the top engine pad E440(69) or F440(70)??? The only # matching cars I had & ever cared to look at... were all assembled at the begining of the calander yr Feb-April and the motor matched the model yr. However my 70 6pack Road Runner was built 10/23/69 and the motor was long gone when I got it in 86 [raced most of it's life... One of many I suspect that were found at local race tracks (like Englishtown) with "MIGHTY MOPAR" or something similar on the side] I put a 70 F440 HP six pack motor in it that came out of a wrecked RT Challenger. The ribbed block was cast in Nov 69(9 looks pretty close to an 8) & assembled in Jan 70. I have always wondered if I should be looking for one that is E440 assembled in early Oct 69... and would such a motor have the externally balanced crank & six pack rods or be built without, more like the A12 cars? Or should 440/383 motors built in late 69 for 70 cars still have an F code instead of an E to match the model year? Thanks
1966 383, 4-sp Charger 38yrs
1970 440+6, 4-sp Road Runner 36yrs
1974 360, auto Challenger 25yrs,in Family 41yrs
2003 Ram 2500 QCLB 4x4 Cummins HO
2010 5.7L R/T 6sp Challenger - Mopar10
2018 392 Daytona Charger
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: Runner2go]
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09/22/06 08:20 PM
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here is a good car to get an approximate actual build date
69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry
69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd
69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto
37 Plymouth PU
Find your spot on earth and ride it.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: Runner2go]
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09/25/06 02:01 PM
09/25/06 02:01 PM
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M_code_Coop
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Quote:
Based on what I was reading in this section I'm sure you or one of the other guys can answer this basic engine yr vs model yr question in a flash...
If you have a car, say 1970, that was built Sept-Dec of the prior yr (1969).... Exactly what would be stamped on the top engine pad E440(69) or F440(70)???
The only # matching cars I had & ever cared to look at... were all assembled at the begining of the calander yr Feb-April and the motor matched the model yr. However my 70 6pack Road Runner was built 10/23/69 and the motor was long gone when I got it in 86 [raced most of it's life... One of many I suspect that were found at local race tracks (like Englishtown) with "MIGHTY MOPAR" or something similar on the side]
I put a 70 F440 HP six pack motor in it that came out of a wrecked RT Challenger. The ribbed block was cast in Nov 69(9 looks pretty close to an 8) & assembled in Jan 70. I have always wondered if I should be looking for one that is E440 assembled in early Oct 69... and would such a motor have the externally balanced crank & six pack rods or be built without, more like the A12 cars?
Or should 440/383 motors built in late 69 for 70 cars still have an F code instead of an E to match the model year?
Thanks
runner2go, I just saw this question.
I think what you're asking is whether or not the EAD (engine assembly date) found on the boss pad with it's year designation (D=1968, E=1969, F=1970 etc) reflects the actual year it (the engine) was built OR...reflects the year of the car it was targeted for.
Here's an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...TRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
If you read the description it refers to the boss pad date (EAD) being 8 (August) and the letter being F (1970).
No way 1970 cars were still being built as late as August of 1970. If this is acurate info it was stamped 8 for August (of 1969) and F for the designated 1970 car it was going into (the following year). 
A12s were abnormal mid year squeeze in efforts which included shorter than average time spans between production steps. As a result, all A12 EADs reflect 1969 (not 68) dates between March and June as well as the E440 designation for 69.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: M_code_Coop]
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10/29/06 11:58 PM
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RoadRunnerJD
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Here are some numbers from my car. Let me know if you want me to check anything else? I will probably have the dash apart this Winter to fix my fuel guage and ampmeter:
Car #225 RM23M9A
Assembly plant sequential number 286687
Vehicle Order Number 949797
Line sequence number 289327
Gate 05 Sequence 136
EAD 6/3
Block 5/23/69
Carbs: 1139/4393, 1209/4392, 1219/4394-1
Door panels May 26, 1969
Alternator 69 .....<-( 5 spaces with dots filled in)
Radiator 1299
Exh Man: L 5 26 (Rt has no date)
Heads 05239 L, 05139 R
Top Radiator Hose 38198-A (I did not replace it. It's on the car now along with the original P/S hoses and all the original vacuum lines)
Motor Mounts: Both have 9..... <-(5 dots)
K-Frame 15.9 1
Wiper Motor 1399
Starter Relay 189
Horn Relay 1329
Rear Housing 5 29 (See attached photo)
RF Seat Adjuster #2935782 OK Tag dated 5/28/69
Wheels were 5 14 originally (I have 5 23's on it now but not original to the car)
Lower control arms: 133 Left, 136 Right
Last edited by RoadRunnerJD; 10/31/06 12:10 AM.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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12/01/06 07:52 PM
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HI,
I JUST REGISTERD I DO NOT OWN AN A-12 CAR BUT MY BUDDY DOES HE BOUGHT IT IN 88 DROVE IT 500 MILES AND ITS BEEN SITTING IN HIS DADS HEATED POLE BULDING EVER SINCE I HAVE THE VIN I WILL HAVE TO DIG IT UP.MAINLY POSTING BECAUSE I HAVE AN ORIGINAL A-12 MOTOR.#9A301727 I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPEND TO THE CAR.THE MOTOR CAME IN A CHALLENGER I BOUGHT IN 88 OUT THE ARLINGTON HTS IL AREA.THE GUY SAID IT WAS OUT OF A 69 1/2 SUPERBEE IT CAME WITH THE ORIGINAL AIR CLEANER THAT MY DUMB A$$ TRADED STRAIGHT UP FOR THE ONE THAT BELONGS ON THE CHALLENGERTHIS YEAR I WAS AT A SHOW IN BELVIDIERE IL AND A GUY HAD AN A12 CAR THERE WE GOT TO TALKING FOUND IT DIDNT HAVE THE ORIGINAL MOTOR.I SAID WHAT IF I GOT THE MOTOR SMALL WORLD REALYY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THEM MADE LONG STORY SHORT HIS VIN 9A301827 MINE 9A301727 I DONT KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT NUMBERS BUT THEY SOUND PRETTY CLOSE TO ME.THIS MOTOR IS COMPLETLY ORIGINAL OIL PAN CARBS 40,000 MILES ANYONE ELSES MISSING THERE ORIGINAL MOTOR$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: SixBBL69Boy]
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12/20/06 03:34 PM
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Sorry to come in so late to this one but the question came up for my car that if the scheduled build date is 426 how could my numbers matching block have been cast in May?? Thanks for the help.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
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12/20/06 03:38 PM
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John,
The SPD is a 'schedule' date, not necessarily the true production date. All A12s were 3/29 or 4/26 though not built on those 2 days. Mine was 4/26 SPD with an engine assembly date of June 4 and late May coded inside door panels, etc. Hope this helps.
Frank
dstryr, since 1986.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: dannysbee]
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12/20/06 03:56 PM
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Because the SPD is just a guess. There are two SPD's for all the A12 cars and we know all were not built in two days. If you have the original door panels look at the dates on the inside of them and that will get you closer to the actual production date of your car. Also the vin help in the speculation, but without factory documentation the actual build date would be hard to determine. 
K-member date also seems very close to actual build date.
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Re: Sequence Patterns and Codes
[Re: Alaska_A12]
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12/20/06 06:42 PM
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K-member date also seems very close to actual build date.
Jim's right, K frame date is usually right on or within a few days of the EAD...
And from what we've seen here, maybe the last factory date to be found on the car (if anyone knows of any later factory dated part please chime in).
You can find the K frame date on the front center curved area.
ALSO, if you have an original numbers matching car please consider posting your VIN along with all your dates. We'd all benefit from it.
 
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