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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #944339
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BCP7ES for the street.
If the 7 doesn't last (cold), drop down to the BCP6ES...
With that "low" CR, you don't want too cold of a plug like the -9 NGK. IMO, a -7 will be about the coldest I would run.


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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: joedust451] #944340
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autolite ar3922 or if a little bit colder ar3911

autolite plugs make about 5-10 hp more than ngk plugs all the time,, thought the ngk are easier to read




I will try them in the BB TR deal we'll dyno in a week or so.




Please do Brian, curious to know, post results




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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #944341
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autolite ar3922 or if a little bit colder ar3911

autolite plugs make about 5-10 hp more than ngk plugs all the time,, thought the ngk are easier to read




I will try them in the BB TR deal we'll dyno in a week or so.




As a fellow BB TR user could you tell us some info about the build? if you have to you can pm me. thanks Mopar65


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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: dennismopar73] #944342
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are you saying there is no truth to my statement? thats just my experience,, ive done it a few times on my dyno and its always worth power

in a ss hemi gained 10
in a ss 427 chevy gained 10
in a pump gas small chevy gained 6
in a 480 cubic inch fe pump gas was worth 8
in a 505 bb mopar pump gas was worth 6

all average power numbers which is all i ever look at

so i built a small blk ford motor for a guy local who works for the prince of quatar(alanabi guy),, so he is hooked up with shannon jenkins from some nitrous company,, i told my customer to run autolite plugs but they didnt cause they later told me i didnt tell them a part number,,, so they ran ngk,, so they went down south and shannon told them to go to the store and get some autolite plugs cause they make more power than ngk plugs,,, so they did cause they were told to by two totaly different sources. its a 360 cubic inch 8.2 deck ford with tfs heads in a 2900lb car, clutchless 5 spd,, nitrous,, been 7.80's at 180something

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: moderncylinder] #944343
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are you saying there is no truth to my statement? thats just my experience,, ive done it a few times on my dyno and its always worth power

in a ss hemi gained 10
in a ss 427 chevy gained 10
in a pump gas small chevy gained 6
in a 480 cubic inch fe pump gas was worth 8
in a 505 bb mopar pump gas was worth 6

all average power numbers which is all i ever look at

so i built a small blk ford motor for a guy local who works for the prince of quatar(alanabi guy),, so he is hooked up with shannon jenkins from some nitrous company,, i told my customer to run autolite plugs but they didnt cause they later told me i didnt tell them a part number,,, so they ran ngk,, so they went down south and shannon told them to go to the store and get some autolite plugs cause they make more power than ngk plugs,,, so they did cause they were told to by two totaly different sources. its a 360 cubic inch 8.2 deck ford with tfs heads in a 2900lb car, clutchless 5 spd,, nitrous,, been 7.80's at 180something




And that is why we test folks!


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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #944344
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are you saying there is no truth to my statement? thats just my experience,, ive done it a few times on my dyno and its always worth power

in a ss hemi gained 10
in a ss 427 chevy gained 10
in a pump gas small chevy gained 6
in a 480 cubic inch fe pump gas was worth 8
in a 505 bb mopar pump gas was worth 6

all average power numbers which is all i ever look at

so i built a small blk ford motor for a guy local who works for the prince of quatar(alanabi guy),, so he is hooked up with shannon jenkins from some nitrous company,, i told my customer to run autolite plugs but they didnt cause they later told me i didnt tell them a part number,,, so they ran ngk,, so they went down south and shannon told them to go to the store and get some autolite plugs cause they make more power than ngk plugs,,, so they did cause they were told to by two totaly different sources. its a 360 cubic inch 8.2 deck ford with tfs heads in a 2900lb car, clutchless 5 spd,, nitrous,, been 7.80's at 180something




And that is why we test folks!





and we appreciate the testing and information that everybody brings here.

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: moderncylinder] #944345
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i will believe that there might be a minisque diff in some plugs
as in heat range tips lenghts , ets but to come make bold statements
that this plug will make more hp than the same equivalent plug from diffrent plug manufacture , is totally without merit ,
now if youre testing a totaly diffrent plug vs a racing style plug
with diffrent heat range , then i will believe some of youre statement!
other than that, show me dyno results with no other changes than
that of a plug change, using the same indexing , timing, etc
just a plug change thats all ,, lets see the results!!

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: dennismopar73] #944346
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I have a hard time believing this to but hopefully he's right that will be the cheapest horspower I have made in a while

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: BLONDE BARRACUDA] #944347
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I have a hard time believing this to but hopefully he's right that will be the cheapest horspower I have made in a while


Horse power TV always makes that type of power increase with the plug of the month

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #944348
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440-1 NGK-9-what is the equivalent Auto lite? Willing to try them.


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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: mopar65] #944349
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12.5 Stealth headed 440 I run NGK R5671A-8.My kids price at Advanced was about 14 bucks for 8.Great plug.Car runs better than when I ran the Autolites.Rocky


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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: therocks] #944350
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I have ran both the AR 3911 and the NGK 7173 both extended tip only change was plug in my case car ran same et but with the AR 3911 I gained 1 mph and the car idles much better this was back to back test same day 30 minutes apart.


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I have ran both the AR 3911 and the NGK 7173 both extended tip only change was plug in my case car ran same et but with the AR 3911 I gained 1 mph and the car idles much better this was back to back test same day 30 minutes apart.


This was replacing and old set with new AR's & new NGK's? or were you replacing the NGK's with AR's?

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: dusturbd340W5] #944352
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I have ran both the AR 3911 and the NGK 7173 both extended tip only change was plug in my case car ran same et but with the AR 3911 I gained 1 mph and the car idles much better this was back to back test same day 30 minutes apart.




Woody... whats the compression on your engine... was
that with the W-5s


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Don't wanna rain on anyones parade here but..........................................if ANY of you believe a HP gain when swapping out a new NGK for the equivilant Autolite you better go back to basics..............they call it HOGWASH.

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it works for me,,, i have my own dyno,, it repeats.... party on guys

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: moderncylinder] #944355
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it works for me,,, i have my own dyno,, it repeats.... party on guys



Thanks for the info Jeff.

Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #944356
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I have ran both the AR 3911 and the NGK 7173 both extended tip only change was plug in my case car ran same et but with the AR 3911 I gained 1 mph and the car idles much better this was back to back test same day 30 minutes apart.




Woody... whats the compression on your engine... was
that with the W-5s






no this was with the Indybrocks with the motor at 12.5-1 and that was install brand new NGK's made 1 pass then installed brand new AR 3911.
The test was done because my machinist swears by the Ar's


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best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4
Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: dusturbd340W5] #944357
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i have bbeen running the NGK R5671A-9's for yrs..
if Jeff says they are worth an improvement..thats good enough for me..
i agree the chrome/nickle base is easier to read then the black phosfate.
i think they have a nickle version fwiw...i just dont know the part number..

what # Autolite plug is a direct cross match from the NGK R5671A-9 plug?


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Re: NGK Plugs ? [Re: dusturbd340W5] #944358
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I have ran both the AR 3911 and the NGK 7173 both extended tip only change was plug in my case car ran same et but with the AR 3911 I gained 1 mph and the car idles much better this was back to back test same day 30 minutes apart.




Woody... whats the compression on your engine... was
that with the W-5s






no this was with the Indybrocks with the motor at 12.5-1 and that was install brand new NGK's made 1 pass then installed brand new AR 3911.
The test was done because my machinist swears by the Ar's




I'm trying to figure out what plug to run in my W-5s
for my drag week car, 11:1 ... I've been using Champion
race plugs for my W-9 but they are pretty pricey

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