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Lifters won't spin..440 #813036 09/23/10 11:20 PM 09/23/10 11:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 784 Liverpool, NY S SILVER67 OP super stock
SILVER67 OP super stock S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 784 Liverpool, NY	Hey Guys, I installed the MP .528 in my 440. It had been sitting around for a few years so it had some very minor surface rust. I used a 2000 grit sand-sponge to remove it. I have all of the valvetrain installed and the intake is off. I wanted to make sure all of the lifters are spinning. I have two that are barely and almost not at all spinning. Bad lifter? Bad cam? Bad lifter bore? I'm open to any ideas? Michael

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: SILVER67] #813037 09/23/10 11:23 PM 09/23/10 11:23 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot
BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	Do they spin EZ in the bores ? ...good crowns on the lifter faces ?

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: SILVER67] #813038 09/23/10 11:25 PM 09/23/10 11:25 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO mopardamo pro stock
mopardamo pro stock Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO	Hello, Unused cam? Try swapping lifters around until you get them all to spin. Damon

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #813039 09/23/10 11:31 PM 09/23/10 11:31 PM
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SILVER67 OP super stock S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 784 Liverpool, NY	Yea lifter face seems okay. Spin freely in the bores too. I haven't measure them though. Is that okay to keep mixing them around until I get them all to spin? Michael

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: SILVER67] #813040 09/23/10 11:41 PM 09/23/10 11:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	Call me at the shop Saturday, and stop over and grab a couple of my Crower lifters....try them. Since you already have swapped some lifters, not sure its going to help, but try another manufacter first.Since its the same bores that its doing it on, I am suspect there, but try these first to save the next step.Bring your two bad lifters, I want to look/measure them. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: SILVER67] #813041 09/23/10 11:42 PM 09/23/10 11:42 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Yea lifter face seems okay. Spin freely in the bores too. I haven't measure them though. Is that okay to keep mixing them around until I get them all to spin? Michael Fine if its a new cam and lifters

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: SILVER67] #813042 09/23/10 11:48 PM 09/23/10 11:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot
BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Yea lifter face seems okay. Spin freely in the bores too. I haven't measure them though. Is that okay to keep mixing them around until I get them all to spin? Michael How much spring pressure do you have ?

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #813043 09/24/10 12:02 AM 09/24/10 12:02 AM
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SILVER67 OP super stock S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 784 Liverpool, NY	Sure will ! Probably call after 12:00.

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #813044 09/24/10 12:03 AM 09/24/10 12:03 AM
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SILVER67 OP super stock S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 784 Liverpool, NY	OOTB Eddy RPM heads springs........

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: SILVER67] #813045 09/24/10 12:35 AM 09/24/10 12:35 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont	If that cam kit is a few years old you might have got a couple/several bad lifters. Wasn't there a lot of QC issues with the offshore lifters after Johnson Tappet went belly up a few years ago? Improper crowns etc. If those 2 Crower lifters will spin I think I would spring for a set of 16. Kevin

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: Twostick] #813046 09/24/10 12:39 AM 09/24/10 12:39 AM
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SILVER67 OP super stock S Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 784 Liverpool, NY	I believe the tag on the Mopar box said the Cam and Lifters are from 2003....... Pretty sure I bought it in 2004 I'd be tickled pink if I just got some bad lifters. Beats having a bad lifter bore I would think ! Michael

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: Twostick] #813047 09/24/10 01:18 AM 09/24/10 01:18 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: If that cam kit is a few years old you might have got a couple/several bad lifters. Wasn't there a lot of QC issues with the offshore lifters after Johnson Tappet went belly up a few years ago? Improper crowns etc. If those 2 Crower lifters will spin I think I would spring for a set of 16. Kevin Good call without any doubt that's the first thing to check. The crowns were off center and lifters didn't turn home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: HEMIFRED] #813048 09/24/10 01:44 AM 09/24/10 01:44 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Thanx Fred I'm pretty sure I saw that on here a few years ago. I can remember stuff like that but I can't find my car keys. IMHO this why 90+% of flat tappet cams fail. Lifters no spin for what ever reason. Kevin

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: Twostick] #813049 09/24/10 03:17 AM 09/24/10 03:17 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	I think if you placed the lifters face to face you would not be able to see the crown. good lifters always have the edges show light. the NASCAR guys have a mahcine that puts the crown back and polishes the lifter face home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: SILVER67] #813050 09/24/10 04:30 AM 09/24/10 04:30 AM
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hemigod426 top fuel H Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,315 MOPAR HEADQUARTERS IN ALDEN NY	first try very worn old used lifter,any type. if still binds its ovaled/worn/funky lifter bore,hate to say it but, ive honed lifter bores in car complete runing motor intake off with drill motor and wheel cylinder hone. after pull pan plug 1 can brake clean, then flushed with 5 quarts new oil, they will spin like a champ then MOPAR OR NO CAR

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: hemigod426] #813051 09/24/10 07:45 AM 09/24/10 07:45 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: first try very worn old used lifter,any type. if still binds its ovaled/worn/funky lifter bore,hate to say it but, ive honed lifter bores in car complete runing motor intake off with drill motor and wheel cylinder hone. after pull pan plug 1 can brake clean, then flushed with 5 quarts new oil, they will spin like a champ then with trhe dating he supplied my first concern is the lifters being junk. i can remember dozens of camshafts biting the bullet back then home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Lifters won't spin..440 [Re: HEMIFRED] #813052 09/24/10 08:10 AM 09/24/10 08:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,000 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,000 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Sometimes it is too fine of a finish on the lifter base. Take some 500 grit sand paper, put it in the palm of your hand and push the base of the offending lifter into it, rotating the lifter to take the shine off. Clean, reinstall and check again. Works great, I,ve had no failures doing this. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

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