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727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents *DELETED* *DELETED* #686675
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not needed now- its toast

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Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686676
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it wasnt acting like this at all before you changed the t. converter?

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: 74fldart] #686677
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it wasnt acting like this at all before you changed the t. converter?




nope

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Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686678
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sounds like trans slipping.

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: stumpy] #686679
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Quote:

sounds like trans slipping.


Sure does sound like it.


Scott

1969 Super Bee, 383/4 speed


Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: StukaJU87] #686680
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welp, if that is the case, what does a good performance shop charge to rebuild a 727? $1000? $1500? Ugh, if its not one thing its another.

(not concluding that is it, just speculating in order to prep the wife)

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Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686681
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around $900.00 is about right for a rebuild.

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686682
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what gear were you in?

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: forphorty] #686683
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Do you have the trans kickdown linkage hooked up and if so is it adjusted correctly? This can make a big difference. Make sure the kickdown lever moves freely. They like to get stuck and not move. Then the trans will shift funny.

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Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: dodgedakotaman] #686684
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Man the thing sounds like a ski-boat.

Are you sure it was in 1st gear?

Sounds like it was just up flashed on the converter in high gear. The motor never really rev's up...

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: dizuster] #686685
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Man the thing sounds like a ski-boat.

Are you sure it was in 1st gear?

Sounds like it was just up flashed on the converter in high gear. The motor never really rev's up...




I was in "D"

It was revved up, it hit 5k rpm on that quick acceleration.

If I were to get the 727 rebuilt- are there any mods I should have done to it, or a shift kit installed or just go back with a stock rebuild? 440 is mild, just a cam and heads I'd say 480hp.

How can I tell if my kickdown linkage is stuck? On 2nd thought I don't think that's it- its felt like this for 2 years now.

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686686
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sounds like it was slipping to me..

also sounds like the TC is to high on stall also

why so much?

I would use a tight 3000 stall from turbo action


Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: scratchnfotraction] #686687
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sounds like it was slipping to me..

also sounds like the TC is to high on stall also

why so much?

I would use a tight 3000 stall from turbo action






It's a hughes 3000 stall

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686688
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question-

ON a 727 rebuild- is it simple enough a regular(local) transmission shop can rebuild it or would you take it to a performance transmission specialist?

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686689
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Maybe a band adjustment would help before springing for a rebuild?

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686690
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Quote:

question-

ON a 727 rebuild- is it simple enough a regular(local) transmission shop can rebuild it or would you take it to a performance transmission specialist?




If ANY trans shop can't rebuild a 727 they have no business owning a shop.

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: POS Dakota] #686691
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Silly question, did you get all new fluid in when you changed the converter? I had some cheap old fluid in mine for awhile and it had similar symptoms as yours. I put in new quality DexronIII and it shifted perfect.

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: AHall] #686692
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Sure sounds like it is slipping. If the car has been doing that since you got it, it could be that the kickdown linkage has always been out of adjustment and needs adjusting. I would start with that. You could be putting "just" enough pressure into it to make it seem kinda normal. At WOT make sure the lever on the trans is all the way back. If that seems to improve it some, next I would call a reputable torque converter company and give them your cam specs and see what they recommend for a torque converter. 3000 seems high to me. If your running a mild cam I would think a stock stall or maybe 2200-2400 would be sufficient. There are a multitude of factors, car weight, cam (power band), rear gears, and of course usage. IF it is going to be mostly a street car then in my opinion 3000 is to high. In 1973 Chrysler pushed the limits, much to everyone's suprise, when they put a higher stall converter in production vehicles which was still less than 3000. A given torque converter may stall at 2,500 rpm behind a small block with 300 lb-ft of torque, but provide 3,000 rpm before reaching stall speed behind a 440 which belts out 450 lb-ft of torque at stall rpm. It varies.

Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: Mopar_Country] #686693
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I got the 3000 stall part..but is it tight,med,loose???

does the engine make enuff torque for that 3000 rpm stall?



stock high stall 2200-2400 should be good for a mild cam,IMO


Re: 727 Diagnosis needed- give me your 2 cents [Re: scratchnfotraction] #686694
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Well its the tranny. Just had the tranny shop take it for a test drive and when he floored it, it didn't accelerate and had to back out of it to get it to go. Thanks for the input, ill update the outcome.

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