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After reading all the posts on this subject in the various threads I can see no reason for this poll.

1. Dave Walden and I disagree on many things but from all I can surmize about him is that he is an honorable man. He has stated that he will only reproduce them for people that HAVE AN EXISTING ORIGINAL ONE. So, unless you dispute what he is saying all of this is mote.

2. My question is, why would anyone WANT to buy one if they already have one? What is wrong with simply making a color copy that cost $2.00 to use for display to guard your original???

3. If you have your original even in poor condition, what difference does it make? IF it is not readable in some areas and a reproduction is made that "corrects" this problem then that opens up another can of worms about this.

4. The majority of the members on Moparts that think the BS is so important don't even understand how much of it is specific to THAT particular car. Example, lets use a 1969 Charger R/T. It came with either a 440 or a Hemi, which is coded in the V.I.N. Other items that are specific to THIS particular car that will be different from any other 1969 Charger R/T on the BS are the specific options that were ordered. The Hemi engine triggered certain items over the 440 and were reflected on the BS, but these very same items are identifable on the subject car by simply reseaching GGs white books which are basically just a cumulative source of info gathered from parts books and sales codes so what do you really need a BS for? Sure there is a VON and a sequence number on it and if the fender tag is missing you won't know these thing, but why do we really care? Why do we care what position it came down the line vs. any other car? We know that the SPD portion of the VON is just a GUESS as to when it was actually made so why do we care if we know the true SPD given by the factory. If it is really important to someone they can research registries for their car and compare V.I.N.S/VONS of other cars assembled at the same plant to determine just as accurate a time period. My point is that there is VERY LITTLE that the BS tells us that we can't figure out based on what we already know from the V.I.N. info that really effects the value of the car or can't be figure out from scrutinizing the particular car. Yes, there are some exceptions for some models/years regarding options like a shaker hood for value and some codes that are effected by things like axle packages but these codes are also easy enought to determine what triggers them on a specific car.

5. I have always said, PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE V.I.N. which many have poo pooed. They claim that it too can be reproduced or changed. Yes, that is true, but it is the ONE thing that carries HEAVY FEDERAL PENALTIES for doing so. The ONLY legal identifier for an old auto is the V.I.N. plate and it's matching title. The title is easily obtained but the V.I.N. plate is an entirely different item. Mopar owners of these old car are lucky that the V.I.N. spells out the model and engine that account for 90% of the value (or potential value) of thes old cars. For the most part the trans. and the color combo (which is a matter of taste) are the only things that really make any kind of economic sense regarding the value of most specific cars. Why? because the cost of adding an option to a car is outweighed by the cost of purchasing and installing it, so there is no economic advantage, only something someone would do for their own enjoyment.

To ME, the bottom line is that for MOPARS the broadcast sheet does not carry NEARLY the weight that it does for some other makes that don't have the luxury of a model and engine identifing V.I.N.
WAY TOO MUCH value is given to a broadcast sheet.

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A broadcast sheet is the only thing that should not be reproduced to look like it might be an original. As everyone knows, it was hit or miss if a car got a broadcast sheet put in it at the factory and if you got one, you have one, and if you didn't, well, then you don't. If you have a 1/2 of one, you have a 1/2 of one. If the mouse chewed yours up, the mouse chewed it up. They are what they are and they should be left alone. End of story.

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and that point was made 100 posts ago.

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for reasons that I and others have already noted in this and the previous related threads.

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and that point was made 100 posts ago.

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Actually Ted we are right back where this originally started! Forget the fact that a piece of junk reproduction "fake" car is completely acceptable as long as the assembly instruction sheet says that it is real! (Keep in mind that Broadcast Sheets are NOT a document and were NEVER intended to be anything but a disposable build instructional guide some 40 years ago.) The "Sheep" have all followed this backwards brainwashing over the years! I have never seen such a ridiculous, more contradictory, oxymoron way of thinking in my life. If you have a re-bodied car with no paperwork than you are considered weasel and a crook. If you have a re-bodied phony car and a "real" Broadcast sheet to authenticate what it is, then you are okay in everyone's book! We have become an industry of collecting paper....the heck with the car! Fake the car and have original paperwork.... Get reproduction paperwork that represents an all original car.... What a perfect and logical way of thinking!

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I got a really easy way to fix this. Why don't those who are producing these BCS just put "reproduction" somewhere on the sheet. Jeez making a big deal out of it. Just put something on it to say it is a repro and call it a day.

Goes with the saying "Build the car the way you want it". In this case, the owner can do whatever he wants if the car is his.

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How about this....you have a real car, you are only allowed to have a real build sheet. You have a restored "reproduction" car, you can get a reproduction build sheet! Or should the logic work in only one direction?

(No I am not having a change of heart. Just trying to add a little common sense to a one sided way of thinking!)

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I got a really easy way to fix this. Why don't those who are producing these BCS just put "reproduction" somewhere on the sheet. Jeez making a big deal out of it. Just put something on it to say it is a repro and call it a day.

Goes with the saying "Build the car the way you want it". In this case, the owner can do whatever he wants if the car is his.

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That's kind of what I was thinking, but the word reproduction had to be somewhere where it can't be removed.

The fact is, it's a reproduction BCS no matter what.
If it's only for display purposes and not for trying to scam someone into believing it's an original BCS does it have to be perfect?

If you have an original BCS scan it and display the scanned copy or your choice is display a BCS that says reproduction on it.

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Of the reproduction items currently available, the window stickers and fender tags are nice to have, but add little to no value....

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....but an "original" Broadcast Sheet adds value to the "reproduction" parts used to restore a car! I sure wish I was able to determine which reproduction parts are valuable with an original Build Sheet and which ones are of "little to no value...." without one. This gets really confusing for me!

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If it's only for display purposes and not for trying to scam someone into believing it's an original BCS does it have to be perfect?

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Chances are that not everyone here has a car that is as correct as the day it rolled off the showroom floor.

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THANK YOU for finally stating the reality to all of this! All of these guys who are content with an unoriginal car are all bugged up over having an original piece of paper that no longer represents the actual vehicle! That is exactly what I have been waiting for someone to say. Now....can anybody that feels this way, please explain the warped logic for requiring a piece of original paperwork that represents their "fake" car but the opposite scenario is NOT ALLOWED?!

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If it's only for display purposes and not for trying to scam someone into believing it's an original BCS does it have to be perfect?

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Once again, why not use that same logic with the other factors of these cars? Why do most people complain when the Good Mark fenders don't fit "perfect"? Why do people scrutinize and criticize our other decals and paper products if they don't want them to appear original or look "perfect"? Should we assume that anyone who restores a car to look like new or "perfect" is actually trying to scam someone into thinking that it is original? Who gets to make the new rules for what can look authentic and what should look altered?

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I completely understand your logic on this.

The thing about a BCS is that it's used to correctly restore a car to the way it left the factory, or it can be used to try to document a bogus car.

The other parts for the car don't have that distinction, they just bolt or weld on.

You can restore a car to exactly the way it left the factory, but it's still restored car any way you look at it.

It's been said many times, a car is only original once.
Unless it's an unrestored survivor that hasn't been touched (and that opens a whole different can of worms) it's restored.