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Since this "poll" is basically about my company I want to ONCE AGAIN make something PERFECTLY CLEAR!!! I don't know why some of you can't seem to understand or ignore the fact that MY COMPANY IS NOT SELLING OR WILL EVER SELL UNLICENSED, ILLEGAL, BOOTLEGGED PRODUCTS! What is it with some of you guys that causes you to constantly ignore the facts as they relate to this subject matter? THESE HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO CHRYSLER! THEY ARE COMPLETELY AWARE OF THEIR EXISTENCE AND ARE WILLING TO APPROVE THEM WITH CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS. It is THEIR decision to make about THEIR property and trademarked products! Just because some of you do not like the idea of them being reproduced DOES NOT give you the right to slander my company with your slighted remarks about our "integrity" and "reputation". I went through this same garbage eight years ago when we were licensed to provide our VIN decals. A similar occurrence also happened with our Window Stickers. That sure didn't stop some of you "upstanding" folks from purchasing those items....did it?! How about we start a poll on "Hypocrisy" after this one!?

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I did not slander your company. I did not mention you or your company's name nor I did not make any remarks about your integrity or reputation.

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I did not slander your company. I did not mention you or your company's name nor I did not make any remarks about your integrity or reputation.

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Then I suggest you amend your poll to CLARIFY and state EXACTLY who you are referring as "those" in your question listed below.

Do you think the availability of "reproduction broadcast sheets" undermines the integrity and reputation of those involved with reproducing them?

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No need to get all bloated again. You made it clear you would only make one for those who already have one.

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"Those" those who do it as in "anybody" is the way I read it.
No need to get all bloated again. You made it clear you would only make one for those who already have one.
There are repop VIN's for those without one with the right documentation,, so should be no problem with a build sheet.

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Your perception and genius never ceases to amaze me Alan! ALL of this occurred when I disclosed that I had manufactured these Broadcast Sheets years ago. But OF COURSE this had absolutely nothing to do with me...of course it didn't Alan!!!

...and to think I originally thought that the only "back peddling" was performed on bicycles by Clowns at the Circus! Silly me...

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This subject should be nicknamed "Medusa".
As soon as you chop off its head, it immediately grows back!

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This subject should be nicknamed "Medusa".
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And you have no idea how much this thrills me.

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maybe moparts should delete all threads that have to do with this kind of broadcast sheet discussion.

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Nobody deleted anything. The threads are still there for everyone to see. They were locked because they turned into personal insult bashfests.

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Dave can you not just vote on the pole....

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Of course I could have chosen to only cast my "vote" on this Poll. Just like you however, I also decided to comment on the subject matter at hand. Oh yes, I almost forgot..... I mentioned earlier about starting a Poll on the subject of "HYPOCRISY"! I assume you will posting on that thread too......right?

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The thinking is flawed if anyone believes that if ECS doesn't print them then nobody will.
If one guy can do them and admits it, then 10 other guys can too and they just haven't said so.
Once the cat's out of the bag......

No way is anyone on this board going to stop the freight train and the best recourse is education on how to spot the repops from the real ones. Just like is done with every other repop part that comes along.

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Since this "poll" is basically about my company I want to ONCE AGAIN make something PERFECTLY CLEAR!!! I don't know why some of you can't seem to understand or ignore the fact that MY COMPANY IS NOT SELLING OR WILL EVER SELL UNLICENSED, ILLEGAL, BOOTLEGGED PRODUCTS!

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Somebody already does make them. In fact "somebodies" already make them.

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Anyone see this? E bay item # 360248636490. Just curious, John.

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....And since he is licensed from Chrysler to make the broadcast sheets, along with his criteria for a customer to obtain a sheet, I could see the sheets as more of a 'reissue' than a reproduction.

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Dave, (we have not met, but I gather that is your name from reading these posts) May I ask: What criteria would be employed should a re-issued broadcast sheet be brought to market? What type and how much documentation would be required? Would the vehicle need to be seen by you, or a company rep? Would a data base be available?
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After reading all the posts on this subject in the various threads I can see no reason for this poll.

1. Dave Walden and I disagree on many things but from all I can surmize about him is that he is an honorable man. He has stated that he will only reproduce them for people that HAVE AN EXISTING ORIGINAL ONE. So, unless you dispute what he is saying all of this is mote.

2. My question is, why would anyone WANT to buy one if they already have one? What is wrong with simply making a color copy that cost $2.00 to use for display to guard your original???

3. If you have your original even in poor condition, what difference does it make? IF it is not readable in some areas and a reproduction is made that "corrects" this problem then that opens up another can of worms about this.

4. The majority of the members on Moparts that think the BS is so important don't even understand how much of it is specific to THAT particular car. Example, lets use a 1969 Charger R/T. It came with either a 440 or a Hemi, which is coded in the V.I.N. Other items that are specific to THIS particular car that will be different from any other 1969 Charger R/T on the BS are the specific options that were ordered. The Hemi engine triggered certain items over the 440 and were reflected on the BS, but these very same items are identifable on the subject car by simply reseaching GGs white books which are basically just a cumulative source of info gathered from parts books and sales codes so what do you really need a BS for? Sure there is a VON and a sequence number on it and if the fender tag is missing you won't know these thing, but why do we really care? Why do we care what position it came down the line vs. any other car? We know that the SPD portion of the VON is just a GUESS as to when it was actually made so why do we care if we know the true SPD given by the factory. If it is really important to someone they can research registries for their car and compare V.I.N.S/VONS of other cars assembled at the same plant to determine just as accurate a time period. My point is that there is VERY LITTLE that the BS tells us that we can't figure out based on what we already know from the V.I.N. info that really effects the value of the car or can't be figure out from scrutinizing the particular car. Yes, there are some exceptions for some models/years regarding options like a shaker hood for value and some codes that are effected by things like axle packages but these codes are also easy enought to determine what triggers them on a specific car.

5. I have always said, PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE V.I.N. which many have poo pooed. They claim that it too can be reproduced or changed. Yes, that is true, but it is the ONE thing that carries HEAVY FEDERAL PENALTIES for doing so. The ONLY legal identifier for an old auto is the V.I.N. plate and it's matching title. The title is easily obtained but the V.I.N. plate is an entirely different item. Mopar owners of these old car are lucky that the V.I.N. spells out the model and engine that account for 90% of the value (or potential value) of thes old cars. For the most part the trans. and the color combo (which is a matter of taste) are the only things that really make any kind of economic sense regarding the value of most specific cars. Why? because the cost of adding an option to a car is outweighed by the cost of purchasing and installing it, so there is no economic advantage, only something someone would do for their own enjoyment.

To ME, the bottom line is that for MOPARS the broadcast sheet does not carry NEARLY the weight that it does for some other makes that don't have the luxury of a model and engine identifing V.I.N.
WAY TOO MUCH value is given to a broadcast sheet.

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A broadcast sheet is the only thing that should not be reproduced to look like it might be an original. As everyone knows, it was hit or miss if a car got a broadcast sheet put in it at the factory and if you got one, you have one, and if you didn't, well, then you don't. If you have a 1/2 of one, you have a 1/2 of one. If the mouse chewed yours up, the mouse chewed it up. They are what they are and they should be left alone. End of story.

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and that point was made 100 posts ago.

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for reasons that I and others have already noted in this and the previous related threads.

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and that point was made 100 posts ago.

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Actually Ted we are right back where this originally started! Forget the fact that a piece of junk reproduction "fake" car is completely acceptable as long as the assembly instruction sheet says that it is real! (Keep in mind that Broadcast Sheets are NOT a document and were NEVER intended to be anything but a disposable build instructional guide some 40 years ago.) The "Sheep" have all followed this backwards brainwashing over the years! I have never seen such a ridiculous, more contradictory, oxymoron way of thinking in my life. If you have a re-bodied car with no paperwork than you are considered weasel and a crook. If you have a re-bodied phony car and a "real" Broadcast sheet to authenticate what it is, then you are okay in everyone's book! We have become an industry of collecting paper....the heck with the car! Fake the car and have original paperwork.... Get reproduction paperwork that represents an all original car.... What a perfect and logical way of thinking!

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I got a really easy way to fix this. Why don't those who are producing these BCS just put "reproduction" somewhere on the sheet. Jeez making a big deal out of it. Just put something on it to say it is a repro and call it a day.

Goes with the saying "Build the car the way you want it". In this case, the owner can do whatever he wants if the car is his.

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How about this....you have a real car, you are only allowed to have a real build sheet. You have a restored "reproduction" car, you can get a reproduction build sheet! Or should the logic work in only one direction?

(No I am not having a change of heart. Just trying to add a little common sense to a one sided way of thinking!)

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I got a really easy way to fix this. Why don't those who are producing these BCS just put "reproduction" somewhere on the sheet. Jeez making a big deal out of it. Just put something on it to say it is a repro and call it a day.

Goes with the saying "Build the car the way you want it". In this case, the owner can do whatever he wants if the car is his.

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That's kind of what I was thinking, but the word reproduction had to be somewhere where it can't be removed.

The fact is, it's a reproduction BCS no matter what.
If it's only for display purposes and not for trying to scam someone into believing it's an original BCS does it have to be perfect?

If you have an original BCS scan it and display the scanned copy or your choice is display a BCS that says reproduction on it.

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Of the reproduction items currently available, the window stickers and fender tags are nice to have, but add little to no value....

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....but an "original" Broadcast Sheet adds value to the "reproduction" parts used to restore a car! I sure wish I was able to determine which reproduction parts are valuable with an original Build Sheet and which ones are of "little to no value...." without one. This gets really confusing for me!

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If it's only for display purposes and not for trying to scam someone into believing it's an original BCS does it have to be perfect?

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Chances are that not everyone here has a car that is as correct as the day it rolled off the showroom floor.

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THANK YOU for finally stating the reality to all of this! All of these guys who are content with an unoriginal car are all bugged up over having an original piece of paper that no longer represents the actual vehicle! That is exactly what I have been waiting for someone to say. Now....can anybody that feels this way, please explain the warped logic for requiring a piece of original paperwork that represents their "fake" car but the opposite scenario is NOT ALLOWED?!

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If it's only for display purposes and not for trying to scam someone into believing it's an original BCS does it have to be perfect?

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Once again, why not use that same logic with the other factors of these cars? Why do most people complain when the Good Mark fenders don't fit "perfect"? Why do people scrutinize and criticize our other decals and paper products if they don't want them to appear original or look "perfect"? Should we assume that anyone who restores a car to look like new or "perfect" is actually trying to scam someone into thinking that it is original? Who gets to make the new rules for what can look authentic and what should look altered?

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I completely understand your logic on this.

The thing about a BCS is that it's used to correctly restore a car to the way it left the factory, or it can be used to try to document a bogus car.

The other parts for the car don't have that distinction, they just bolt or weld on.

You can restore a car to exactly the way it left the factory, but it's still restored car any way you look at it.

It's been said many times, a car is only original once.
Unless it's an unrestored survivor that hasn't been touched (and that opens a whole different can of worms) it's restored.

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Once again, why not use that same logic with the other factors of these cars? Why do most people complain when the Good Mark fenders don't fit "perfect"? Why do people scrutinize and criticize our other decals and paper products if they don't want them to appear original or look "perfect"? Should we assume that anyone who restores a car to look like new or "perfect" is actually trying to scam someone into thinking that it is original? Who gets to make the new rules for what can look authentic and what should look altered?

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I can assure you Rich that I have seen plenty of "restored" vehicles (with original Build-sheets) that looked NOTHING like a correct, original factory car!

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Now....can anybody that feels this way, please explain the warped logic for requiring a piece of original paperwork that represents their "fake" car but the opposite scenario is NOT ALLOWED?!

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Good point. Probably the same reason why it is ok for young girls to date older guys but wrong for young guys to date older women I think it is this way because this topic, and the anal restoration guys, puts the BCS on a pedestial rather than focus on why that sheet was printed in the first place. To give life to the cars we own and love now.

Think of it this way, whats more fun? A broadcast sheet with no car, or no broadcast sheet with a car. If you want the first option allow me to think your

Everyone is too worried that a piece of paper will devalue our cars to nothing more than a honda civic. In all reality, you can tell what is original on the car by simply looking at the VIN, stampings on the engine, fender tag, part numbers, etc. These things are what make the broadcast sheet anyway.

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I have a question...Why would anyone ever want a perfect undetectable reproduction broadcast sheet?

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I can assure you Rich that I have seen plenty of "restored" vehicles (with original Build-sheets) that looked NOTHING like a correct, original factory car!

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Dave, I know that there are plenty of improperly restored cars out there.
As in over-restored, poorly restored.
What some people call a restoration is more of a rattle can special (rattle can Rembrandt specials as we call them).

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Yes, you should. A broadcast sheet is NOT a reproduction part, it's a document that either you have or you don't. The ONLY reason anybody would want a undetectable reproduction broadcast sheet is to deceive.

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No one said that they did, if they did I missed that post. I just want one to "look" somewhat like the original one. I will never sell the car or anything of that nature, but would be nice to have one that doesn't smell like mouse piss and is in multiple pieces and dust. That way I can actually "touch" the piece of paper without making chrysler fairy dust.

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That is fine. Make one that is similar to a broadcast sheet that is different than an original. But there are people making (or have made) undetectable reproduction broadcast sheets. There is NO need for those.

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Yes, you should. A broadcast sheet is NOT a reproduction part, it's a document that either you have or you don't. The ONLY reason anybody would want a undetectable reproduction broadcast sheet is to deceive.

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Not everyone is into this hobby to deceive. As stated, you cannot make a repro look or smell as old as the car. You cannot reproduced the 20-40 year old rusty spring marks on the paper.

Main reason I would want one is because down here in south texas, we only have a "mopar" class and thats it at these shows while the chevys and fords get every class they want. Any edge a mopar can get in a show, even if its a repro BCS sheet, is helpful. Your definately not gonna pass off a repro sheet at the Mopar Nats anyway.

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Hi Pat,
I have been throwing out these thoughts in an attempt to see if anyone would actually hit the nail on the head. It isn't up to any one person as to what should or should not be done! It is Chrysler who is in charge of their company and what they choose to do. If not for the majority/minority (which ever) I would have offered these a long time ago. As much as guys like Rhinodart, Pacnorthcuda, etc..... can't stand me, I owe them the same respect in this hobby as those who appreciate what we do and support our cause! We don't want to alienate ANYONE in this hobby and it is not our intent to hurt the value of these vehicles in anyway. I simply wanted to open the eyes of people who might be victim to the same bug that I was bit by when I arrived on the scene in 2002. Real paperwork does NOT guarantee a real car! Yes it is important but only because WE as a hobby have made it that way. It in no way ensures (absolute) reality for anything except the "old" paper it is printed on!

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That's the problem that come into play when people are in it simply to deceive and make $$$$.

I know of a Hemi Charger body that a buddy has that the same VIN number was authenticated by a "specialist" on another Charger that the "specialist" documented.
The "specialist" doesn't want to talk about the VIN and would like to see the original (very rough) body go away now.

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Hi Pat,
I have been throwing out these thoughts in an attempt to see if anyone would actually hit the nail on the head. It isn't up to any one person as to what should or should not be done! It is Chrysler who is in charge of their company and what they choose to do. If not for the majority/minority (which ever) I would have offered these a long time ago. As much as guys like Rhinodart, Pacnorthcuda, etc..... can't stand me, I owe them the same respect in this hobby as those who appreciate what we do and support our cause! We don't want to alienate ANYONE in this hobby and it is not our intent to hurt the value of these vehicles in anyway. I simply wanted to open the eyes of people who might be victim to the same bug that I was bit by when I arrived on the scene in 2002. Real paperwork does NOT guarantee a real car! Yes it is important but only because WE as a hobby have made it that way. It in no way ensures (absolute) reality for anything except the "old" paper it is printed on!

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When you and "Chrysler" finally decide to make these bogus sheets available (mark my word it will happen if you do it or someone else does) then we and other Mopar boards will rehash this nonsence all over again and it will only lead to more discourse that this hobby does not need...

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Its obvious from the last posting on this that somebody's tooled up and ready go make them, as evidenced by the spools of paper and the printer.

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Yes, that was all done seven years ago. I am just extremely slow at bringing things to market. I probably need to contact Chrysler to talk to them about this in greater detail! It shouldn't take maybe another five or six years for me to contact them! Just out of curiosity....what else do some of you think that I will be doing (business related) over the next few years?

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....And since he is licensed from Chrysler to make the broadcast sheets, along with his criteria for a customer to obtain a sheet, I could see the sheets as more of a 'reissue' than a reproduction.

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Thanks for your post Mark but keep in mind that we are NOT actually licensed to sell these. I want to take the time at this point to explain a few things that pertain to this subject. I also want to address the last post that Barry issued. (For the record, I think very highly of Barry and what he does. We have our differences sometimes but I would help him or anyone else to stop impropriety in our hobby.)

After I made these I approached Chrysler with the idea of offering them as a novelty item. They received EVERYTHING that I had made and said that they could be approved if we would agree on how to keep things in check. They told me to think about a way to do this and submit my ideas for final approval. During that time Dave S. and I talked further about this and decided it would not be good for the hobby. Now lets go back to the year 2002.

In 2002 there were very few people that knew about our company. The first two guys to reach out to me and introduce themselves were Dave Wise and Daniel Banker. I became good friends with these guys. A short time later I met Roger Gibson and he asked if I would consider trying to make accurate VIN decals. (After months of development we came up with the product that many of you guys have purchased over the past few years.) I submitted those items to Chrysler for licensing and they were approved. The first person to actually know about them being for sale was Steve Klein at the 2003 Nationals. I remember how excited he was to see "a closed 4" in the VIN number! One of the first guys to buy a VIN decal was Daniel Banker. He was so pleased with it that he posted pictures of it here on Moparts. The next day I couldn't believe all the calls I had people wanting to buy one BUT a separate group of guys desperately tried to have them taken off the market. What ensued was a ridiculous mess. Chrysler told me that the "guru" tried to have my VIN license stripped because he was concerned about the safety of the industry. He said that my decals would open things up for fraud and the hobby would be ruined! He tried 3 times to have my licensing revoked! Needless to say, we have a very close and solid relationship with Chrysler today!

Well here we are in 2010 and guess what? It didn't ruin the value of your beloved cars and ECS has ALWAYS kept air tight documentation from day one. Many of you who were actually opposed the VINs and feel the same about THIS scenario, ended up purchasing MULTIPLE VIN decals from my company! Go check out the testimonial from Chrysler on our website (www.ecsvin.com - under Vital Info.) It states that: "ECS Automotive Concepts complies with the stringent requirements established by Chrysler for proper verification, record keeping and continuing audit as it relates to the production of replacement VIN Certification decals." THAT IS HOW WE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR COMPANY! I have no intentions of marketing these sheets illegally. If they were to be available (again...no plans to ever do so) I can assure everyone that there would NEVER be any shady practices related whatsoever. I can assure everyone reading this that ECS is above compromising our standards for something that is as insignificance as these reproduction Build-sheets. Please stop worrying about all of this! The only thing that has changed is your guys awareness of it. I had these seven years ago! Prior to last week how many of you felt that our hobby was in "danger" because of this? Did any of you turn your back on Christmas when you learned the reality of Santa Claus and his Elves? Nothing has changed!


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Dave, you are probably the biggest Grinch out there! Honestly, I think the Grinch even looks up to you. Let me find a pic of him and maybe we can email it to you and then you can post it on your avatar like you suggested when we talked on the phone. <<<<WARNING---- THE PREVIOUSLY POSTED STUFF WAS INTENDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY>>>>>> Now, the honest truth about Dave..... he has got to be one of the greatest guys that I know stopping and taking time to talk to anyone in the hobby. The dedication and research that he has done has only helped our hobby that I see, not hurt it. Maybe some of you would settle for crappy reproduction pieces that don't look or fit right. I for one am always tring to improve my cars and not settle for second best. Thankfully, Metro has also taken this adage and brought excellent repro door panels for the E bodys to the market. Now I don't hear anyone flaming them for making a part that is perfect. Granted, it is not a piece of documented paperwork, but as I stated earlier, paperwork can be authenticated by carbon 14 dating, just like any carbon based item can.

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Then to use "your" logic, Chrylser by showing willingness to licence a broadcast sheet under conditions is either directly or indirectly acting unethically.

The poll isnt neutral based in its wording. Not at all. One can only read the questions to know the poster feels on the subject. That is readily apparant. Reword in a more neutral way then allow the people to vote on it.

1. Should an authorized Chrysler distributor who has been provided legitmate documentation of the original buildsheet be allowed to reproduce that buildsheet, or that buildsheet showing a watermark that determines its reproduction status.

There are alot better ways to neutralize these questions besides wording in a way to get a predetermined answer.

Thats like asking should a person who is convicted of a crime serve jail time. That question is worded to elicit a simple answer YES!

The more informative questionaire would ask.
1. What kind of crime?
2. What was the severity of the crime?
3. Was it under extreme durress?
4. Was it a first time offense?
5. Was it a simple misdomeanor?

What I am saying is the original question of "Should a person convicted of a crime serve jail time?" is simply directed to elicit the answer of yes.

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you think the availability of "reproduction broadcast sheets" undermines the integrity and reputation of those involved with reproducing them?
Users may choose only one (110 total votes)
Yes
56 51%

No
54 49%

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Clearly the sites members are evenly split on this issue. This despite the wording thats intended to elicit a certain response. There is no distinct verdict on this issue. With a 110 members voting its virtually a dead heat. So we gentlemen are at a stand still still. An intrigueiing issue we have here. "

There are no good guys, there are no bad guys, theres just you and me and we just disagree."

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Are you for real? You didn't read my quote very well. I wasn't even speaking of you. I said anyone working on it with Chrylser would be in it for the money. I guess if you take offense to that, then that makes you a guilty party. Enough said.

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Oh....I understand now Dave! You actually meant "Anyone". You were not talking about the normal meaning of "Anyone" as it relates to "ALL" people! You must have been referring to the OTHER people who represent "Anyone". Now keep in mind that throughout this entire thread I am the person that has been under the microscope as it relates to this subject matter but you were not referencing me.....right? NEWSFLASH Dave! I am the main party being talked about in this thread that has been working with Chrysler on the Broadcast Sheets! But you were referencing the other "Anyone" who might be doing this with Chrysler....right?



.....and you felt the need to ask if I am for real?!?! Oh my Lord!!!!

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This is good stuff.....
Reproduce them Dave, I'll buy one.
I'm about to place an order with you guys soon, as my Coronet is about home from the paint shop.
Thanks for what you do for this hobby.

Wally.

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People with perfectly restored cars are in the MINORITY in the hobby.

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