Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Troy]
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11/06/09 09:30 AM
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Here is a photo of the cowl. You can see how the yellow goes over the top of the back paint. Even in this photo it look like a smooth black paint.
Correct, the black was applied first, then masked off before the topcoat color. As Troy points out, you can see some bleed back of topcoat color under the masking. Non TA/AAR cars had the blackout applied after topcoat color.
As for the type of black... my belief is it was organisol. I have a perfect organisol sample on hand right now; it's a very fine texture, that can be easily mistaken for smooth especially if dirty & aged. Logic... AAR's were painted in the same sequence... however, the AAR also had the fender tops, door & quarter upper edges sprayed at the same time as the cowl & fender banding. Why would two different kinds of black be used?
The real dead give away to identify it is to clean it well and look close to see the metallic flecks.
Rick
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Troy]
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11/06/09 12:34 PM
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Doing great Troy! Very possible... I haven't seen them all Funny how anytime words like "detailing, details, OE, etc." are in a thread subject, how fast the topic drifts!!
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: autoxcuda]
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11/06/09 12:48 PM
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yes all before color was applied
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: moparo]
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11/06/09 01:36 PM
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The valve cover looks to be later with the raise circle in the front.
Not sure what you mean by "later"? It is a 1970 car & the photo was taken in 1970.
The low mile T/A has the same style.
Since more than one style of washer bottle was available, I am sure it was pretty random as to which one ended up on which car.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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11/06/09 01:42 PM
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On the blackout.... One of the engineering drawings states; "Apply blackout paint or organisol paint in areas indicated" This is no doubt why some of you have found original cars one way or the other.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: moparo]
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11/06/09 01:44 PM
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yes all before color was applied
With the exception of the rocker pinchweld area.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: RestoRick]
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12/04/09 03:19 PM
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Here is a photo of the cowl. You can see how the yellow goes over the top of the back paint. Even in this photo it look like a smooth black paint.
Correct, the black was applied first, then masked off before the topcoat color. As Troy points out, you can see some bleed back of topcoat color under the masking. Non TA/AAR cars had the blackout applied after topcoat color.
As for the type of black... my belief is it was organisol. I have a perfect organisol sample on hand right now; it's a very fine texture, that can be easily mistaken for smooth especially if dirty & aged. Logic... AAR's were painted in the same sequence... however, the AAR also had the fender tops, door & quarter upper edges sprayed at the same time as the cowl & fender banding. Why would two different kinds of black be used?
The real dead give away to identify it is to clean it well and look close to see the metallic flecks.
Rick
I dissagree with the black first. This is the tear down of my T/A. You can see in this photo the yellow was first then the black. Download the pic and enlarge it.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: RareTA]
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12/05/09 02:36 PM
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I dissagree with the black first. This is the tear down of my T/A. You can see in this photo the yellow was first then the black. Download the pic and enlarge it.
As with "mass production" of anything, cars, trucks, kids toys, etc,....there may be factory prints, procedures, etc, they all change as production gets underway, some are due to mistakes, some are due to "experimentation", or penny pinching as production is underway,...in the case of different blacks, for black outs,....might have run out of "that" paint that day, and substituted something else, or a certain procedure was done at another work station on the line and Gomer used the "wrong" paint, or what was substitued on purpose or accident ,....back in the day it was Human intervention/mistakes on the line, not robots programed with a set of perimeters
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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02/26/15 10:58 AM
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Mike, This thread is a blast... Now that I have my own T/A, I'm discovering things... One of my latest detailing questions is the center carb vent and it's relationship with the breather on the pass. valve cover. I see in the picture above and your factory illustration, the 340 pictures had all three nipples; 1. air cleaner base 2. Carb float bowl vent 3. gas tank vent
I thought #3 was only for California Emissions cars in '70 and then bacame standard on all cars starting in '70. I have seen a lot of T/A's and AAR's and haven't seen many, if any, with the gas tank vent. If that's the case and it was only for California emissions, then a production T/A and AAR would have the breather with 2 nipples, both on top, not the bottom-smallest one for the gas tank vent line...
No?
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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02/27/15 01:39 AM
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On the non-N95 cars the port on the middle carb was open to the atmosphere.
Get out of here !!!! Well, I would have never thought that.... Thanks Barry....
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: mopar346]
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02/27/15 05:20 PM
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The question I have been running through my mind is was there a stub hose attached or was it bare.
The one at Wellborn's has one and pictures of my car right out of the barn has none. I run with none and believe it correct.
Please define "right out of the barn", are we talking Hamtramck, MI in the spring of 1970? Or sometime later. As you know those will pull out quite easily sometimes.
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: mopar346]
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02/28/15 12:30 AM
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...The one at Wellborn's has one and pictures of my car right out of the barn has none. I run with none and believe it correct.
I'm supposed to talk to Tim tonight or this weekend, I'll ask him. Do you have any pictures of what you're talking about.
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: 70 Challenger T/A - Engine Detailing - Whats correct?
[Re: hemi68charger]
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02/28/15 02:28 AM
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This is on his blue TA, a survivor from all accounts.
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