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"Wire holders - I have seen both ways but the paint did not stick well on those. Most I have had were painted.

I too have seen many of the wire holder painted, just not late 70 built cars out of Hamtramck. Here is a few fun photos...

....here is a nice one, look at the original upper hose!!

I'm going for a three fer!!

"The distributor hold-downs are copper plated."
....Yes, your correct about the copper plated hold down. Mine is plated (What photo did you see that on my car??) Can you and were WHY it is plated???

The loose washer (found on many untouched cars) under the intake bolt (which have a captive washer) are brass or copper"
I'm sorry but I don't follow you on this one..

"The fuel pumps were painted on the engine."
Fuel pumps were painted??? Not on the T/As that I have seen, I might be wrong but here is another picture.... Many of the big blocks were painted but I don't know about the small blocks.

This is also a real cool car!! 2500 mile 70 or 71 Demon 340 car....unpainted fuel pump.

Photo from 1970 of the 1970 McAllister Dodge T/A.

Modified for drag racing? Yes.

But look at these photos close.

...ok Almost done..
"T/A's used Organosol on the cowl and fenders. The cowls were masked off and not free-hand as on other e-bodies.

I heard this too but when I sanded my original paint T/A down, it was not Organosol....there was no texture to it. The black was painted first and then the color. Here is two photos one of the inner fender black out and you can see that it is smooth....not Organosol...

Close up from the same photo.

Spark plug wire looms? - No paint.

Negative battery cable end? - No paint.

Also, note how glossy the black is on the master cylinder. Most folks seem to think that was a semi-gloss. Interesting........

If anyone has arguments either way, please back them up with original photos from cars that still have original details intact. I would love to see what you have.

Honest.

Barry

Here is a photo of the cowl. You can see how the yellow goes over the top of the back paint. Even in this photo it look like a smooth black paint.

Please do not bring 1971 cars into a 1970 T/A thread? All it does is confuse folks.

We seem to have an uphill battle here as it is.

And last but not least...

"Most Trans-Am (only) cars have 2 plugs in the floor similar to the rubber-steel plugs for the rear shock towers in the trunk but about half the diameter. I have never seen these on anything other than a Trans-Am car."

Not sure what your talking about here....I don't recall any trunk photos being shown. My trunk floor (and all the other sheet metal) in my car is original, nothing was ever replaced.

That should be it on that subject..

I will say this....I'm no expert when it comes to these cars or any other car but I do love them and respect them. Because of that I put alot of time into the researching them. I don't say things like "Always" "Never" and "Positively" because somebody will prove you wrong.

Jimmy and I started off on the wrong foot and I'm sorry for that. I had a bad day at work and I guess I popped off a little to quick so I'm sorry for calling you out.

Again I would like to thank Berry Washington (Alaskan TA) for all of his photos and knowledge. If anybody would like a CD that is FULL of photos of a VERY low milage T/A, just PM him, IT IS WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!

Thanks Troy, but I gotta say.....

No PMs. Email only (or snail mail for orders) I have PMs disabled because I like all my messages to go to one place.

Barry

....long night, I'm going to bed!!

How do these survivor reference cars relate to each other in terms of serial number and SPD? How close were they built to each other?

The SPD & VIN have very little to do with when they were really built, so that is anyone's guess.

But, I can tell you that the low mile T/A did have four broadcast sheets in it, one was for a later car (if you go by the SPD & VIN).

The SPD of the low miler is 406. The sheet for the other car is 407. The VIN numbers are over 2000 apart. The broadcast sheet sequence numbers are only 12 apart. So, for whatever reason, the cars were actually built VERY close together regardess of the SPD & VIN & what most folks seem to assume.

It is a fascination of mine, I would like to know why they did it that way. The more folks that send in broadcast sheet info for 1970 Hamtramck cars, the better chance I have of figuring it out.

Barry

I am pretty sure that is what I just said.

Per line.

It was subject to change too, but I need a lot more info before exploring that aspect in depth.

See the July & Sept. IOTMs at this link if you missed them for more info.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/previousItemOfTheMonth-2009.shtml

great information fellas.
Keep it coming

Barry

Love the photos you have. One thing which I noticed on the picture which you may be able to answer. The valve cover looks to be later with the raise circle in the front.

I just noticed the by pass hose is not painted on this engine also.

I will post pictures later of the neg bat, cable with the rubber cover paint on a low mile car.

This washer bottle thing is way out of hand I have a June built 70 cuda all orig. and it has the "70" bottle.