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My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? #446954
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My balancer has spun about 8 degrees on my pump gas,internal balance,408" small block. The brand is Romac. When I went to adjust timing I discovered this.

Is this a big problem, other than setting timing?

What brand do you guys recommend? I need to bolt on the factory 70 Dart pulley.

Jeff

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Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446955
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take it back to walmart and get an ATI

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446956
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Today it s moved 8*....tomorrow you might be buying
a new hood... or worse

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: Quicktree] #446957
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Quote:

take it back to walmart and get an ATI




You're on a roll today

All kidding aside, you have a bomb with the fuse lit. Immediately remove and disgard it, as it's a disaster waiting to happen. ATI is without a doubt the way to go.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: Hemiroid] #446958
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A bad balancer is one of the fastest ways to trash a stroker crank

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: Hemiroid] #446959
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take it back to walmart and get an ATI




You're on a roll today

All kidding aside, you have a bomb with the fuse lit. Immediately remove and disgard it, as it's a disaster waiting to happen. ATI is without a doubt the way to go.




I try it makes good movies

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: emarine01] #446960
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TCI Rattler $363 at Jegs.

Anyone use this one?

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446961
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TCI Rattler $363 at Jegs.

Anyone use this one?




are you having troulble reading? ATI

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: Quicktree] #446962
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Which if any brands have a ridge to prevent the outer ring from flying off?

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #446963
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Do you work for ATI?

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446964
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Do you work for ATI?




no

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: Quicktree] #446965
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I've run a Rattler for many years without any problem. I think it's a good product.


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Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: brktracr] #446966
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Thanks brktracr.

Any one else have any recs?

ATI, TCI, ????

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446967
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To totally avoid any "spinning" issues .... some people way back when bought those aluminum hubs. Remember those ?

Remember what happened when people put those on their moders ?

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446968
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My move 4 deg..off it came!! ATI here...everyone I talk to says it the best one..362.00 at jegs..My was a summit brand . I think it a romac ?

I think maybe it crack my crank..not sure ..lots of things was wrong in my motor..so don't know for sure what happen first..but you need to get it off there right away !

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: VernMotor] #446969
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my BHJ or BJH, or whatever it is makes a nice doorstop after it spun a few degrees. ATI since with no problems. 7+ years??

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: weedlayer] #446970
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When they spin that much is it obvious on inspection.


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Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: deaks] #446971
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We run Summit SFI ones.Mine has been on 10 years and no problems.Rocky


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Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: therocks] #446972
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I can't tell by looking at it, but you can when you put the timing light on it.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446973
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was told a long time ago, paint a line across the body and the ring and keep an eye on the line to see it stays lined up.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: weedlayer] #446974
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I've run the TCI rattler for years. No probs here either.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446975
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Quote:

I can't tell by looking at it, but you can when you put the timing light on it.




My Romac has two lines lasered on the front, one on the hub the other on the ring. If they're not lined up it's slipped.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446976
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I have an ATI on my hemi and a Fluidamper on my wedge. No problems with either one. I had a BHJ once, it slipped not long after I put it on. CHIP


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #446977
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I have an ATI on my hemi and a Fluidamper on my wedge. No problems with either one. I had a BHJ once, it slipped not long after I put it on. CHIP




would that make the BHJ a
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Junk

ATI makes a great product but they are a little pricey. there are other dampers out there that will do the job and hold up just fine for the average street/strip/bracket racer.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446978
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I use Pioneer SFI (look in Summit catalog) when I need an inexpensive SFI damper with Chrysler face. I've used them on 700+ HP motors with no issues.

I have ATI on the big $ stuff, they are great dampers but are overpiced IMO for all they really are. But with their bolt together design, they are virtually impossible to have "slip
like the cheaper pressed together dampers.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: RyanJ] #446979
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Another advantage of the ATI is that you can ship it back to them for rebuild and recert for $90. I had my 1993 unit rebuilt in 2006.

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: cgall] #446980
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Both the ATI Super damper and the TCI Rattler seem good.

Will they work with the stock timing cover?

I also need to use the stock pulley for my alternator.

Any problems with this?

I'm getting mixed answers from their tech lines.

Jeff

p.s. the Romac that came off said SFI 18.1
It is a two piece unit that has spun.

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Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: jinxy] #446981
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I know a fluid damper works with the stock timing cover. I would be 99.9999999% sure the others do too!

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: Dodgem] #446982
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My summit sfi sbf spun 90º in only 50 miles!!!!

Now I bougth an ATI.... beatiful piece!!! but i do not know how to disassemble it to match balance with my old summit(rip)....

Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: v8punch] #446983
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The ATI and the Fluidamper that I have are both on motors with stock timing covers. CHIP


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #446984
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Here is a pic of my summit Balancer. You can see by the blue line.how much it has moved.

5438492-summitbal.JPG (49 downloads)
Re: My balancer spun about 8 degrees???? [Re: Quicktree] #446985
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ROMAC has an indexing line from the inner to outer shell, have you checked it? Also your front pulley hasnt been pulled up hard on the outer rting at all has it??

I have been using ROMAC exsclusivly for over 15 yrs an am yet to have see any problems, IMO you should be looking at wot cause its failure.
FWIW I have used them on almost every racing application, DIRT CARS, DRAGS, CIRCUIT, ROAD & BOATS


ALSO ROMAC is SFI & its all but impossible for the outer ring to come off.

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