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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: covkid] #39474
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I'm new and across the water in UK. Just wanted to add that many of us are rollering VW Vanagons (known as the T25 in UK and T3 in Germany) and we recently created a 45 min DVD to explain how to do the $50 paint job from start to finish.

http://www.sickfly.virtualmidlands.co.uk/ - might be pricey to ship tho maybe not if it was several at a time.

The original article that spawned the DVD is at:

http://wiki.club8090.co.uk/index.php/Bodywork_and_Glass_Roller_painting

And theres a long-running thread at:

http://forum.club8090.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18751

Be interesting to see whether the paint is identical, What you call Mineral Spirits, we call White Spirit. Otherwise its Rustoleum Combicolor



The Vanagons that I am familiar with should be rolled into the Thames. (Spelling?)

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: DennisH ] #39475
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hey man, respect the van! They had a production run with rear engined water cooled setups, some with all wheel drive. Swap in a 2.0 turbo subaru motor and you've got a hotrod with room


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: THEYOUNGGUN53] #39476
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Alright,

for those of you that have done the rustoleum paint technique, how does it seem to be holding up? my car will be a daily driver and i've got a black jeep that i've touched up with rustoleum. after about 2 years in the sun, the black touched up patches seem to be fading. i realize that rustoleum doesn't have all the uv blockers that other paint does, but do the lighter colors discolor less?


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: Jerry] #39477
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did you keep up with washing and waxing it? also polishing it occasionally will bring the shine back no problem. Any car will fade if not properly cared for and left out in the elements.


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: Jerry] #39478
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Any color Rustoleum will require some maintenance. The fading will just be more obvious on the darker colors.

Brightside or similar urethane is the way to go if your car sees a lot of weather and you don't want a lot of upkeep. Its quite a bit more expensive, but it will last longer.

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: Davemutt] #39479
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I have simple question
Help please~

What brand of rustoleum paints are we using?
I went to homedepot and I see "regular rustoleum (white can)" and I see "professional high performance " paints.

I asked what brand dries harder? and the person at HD told me
"it should be "professional high performance (grey can)" ( he is not 100% sure).

But! On professional high performance brand you can't thin it with "mineral spirits" but can thin it with acetone.

But, on regular rustoleum you can thin it with mineral spirits(only).


So which one is it???

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: jae] #39480
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I have simple question
Help please~

What brand of rustoleum paints are we using?
I went to homedepot and I see "regular rustoleum (white can)" and I see "professional high performance " paints.

I asked what brand dries harder? and the person at HD told me
"it should be "professional high performance (grey can)" ( he is not 100% sure).

But! On professional high performance brand you can't thin it with "mineral spirits" but can thin it with acetone.

But, on regular rustoleum you can thin it with mineral spirits(only).


So which one is it???



Professional and stops-rust are pretty much the same. Both can be thinned with mineral spirits and I doubt one paint is truly superior to the other. The advantage to the stops-rust paint is that it comes in quarts and professional comes in gallons only. I would go with stops-rust myself simply for this fact, because a contaminated quart of paint is much less harmful than a wasted gallon. Just my

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: joeshmo] #39481
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The advantage to the stops-rust paint is that it comes in quarts and professional comes in gallons only. I would go with stops-rust myself simply for this fact, because a contaminated quart of paint is much less harmful than a wasted gallon. Just my




I have been buying the rustoleum professional paint in quarts from Lowes Home Improvement for a few years. Maybe your Home Depot store just prefers to stock it in gallons.

I have tried the regular rustoleum and the professional and just recently i tried Brightside boat paint and it is absolutely the best paint i have used for rolling and i used mineral spirits to thin it with. I would only use the rustoleum as an undercoating to build up the layers of paint and use the Brightside paint for the final top coating.It looks 10 times better and this is without getting to the polishing stage.

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: pdqvsix] #39482
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Ok Thanks...
now whats this "Brightside paint" ?
I thought everyone was using rustoleum paints??

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: joeshmo] #39483
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ok Thanks
and I agreed :-)

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: jae] #39484
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Ok Thanks...
now whats this "Brightside paint" ?
I thought everyone was using rustoleum paints??



Brightside is a 1 part urethane yacht-paint that can also be rolled like rustoleum. It's a bit more expensive but they say it has better gloss and UV protection and ect.

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: joeshmo] #39485
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Actually the Brightside paint isn't that much more expensive when you consider what you get in return.

I'm painting using black paint and the Brightside is at least 4 shades darker than the rustoleum and the gloss of Brightside is unreal just rolling it on. I could get away with just doing a light wetsanding with 1500 and skip the polishing it looks that good. I do roll it on pretty smooth though.

The Brightside polyurathane paint now has teflon added in to make it easier to keep clean.

I found a supplier online that sells Brightside paint for $26.00 shipped to the lower 48 states.

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: pdqvsix] #39486
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hey, are toplac and brightside the same thing?

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paint after 3rd coat unsanded

Where i have rubbed back to baremetal is seem to show through, is this normal or do i just need to do more coats?


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paint after 3rd coat unsanded

Where i have rubbed back to baremetal is seem to show through, is this normal or do i just need to do more coats?





Just keep goin. With thin layers it takes many coats to get full coverage. What color was it originally? Also, what paint are you using?

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Hey, the car was originally a gold color,

And i am using bright side fire red marine paint which my dad had lying around, this is just a test piece.

Would a color such as black require less coats, and show results quicker?

I seem to have roller marks as well, do i need to thin the paint more?

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Hey, the car was originally a gold color,

And i am using bright side fire red marine paint which my dad had lying around, this is just a test piece.

Would a color such as black require less coats, and show results quicker?

I seem to have roller marks as well, do i need to thin the paint more?



Roller marks are taken out with wetsanding and buffing eventually but thinning more may help reduce them. What temps are to rolling at and what kind of roller are you using?

Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: joeshmo] #39491
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The temp is about 24 degrees, and im using the 4" high density foam ones.

Here is the mixture i used.

* 100ml Penetrol
* 75ml Turps
* 375-400ml Paint


Here is a pic of the the 4th coat unsanded.




Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III [Re: sambo101] #39492
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would adding a white base coat make any difference?

Also I read way back in the thread some people were not putting any thinners in the bright side paint, and were getting full coverage after just 2 coats? any negatives to this?

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would adding a white base coat make any difference?

Also I read way back in the thread some people were not putting any thinners in the bright side paint, and were getting full coverage after just 2 coats? any negatives to this?



Not adding any thinner would make the paint apply much more thick and you would probably get a considerable amount more orange peel. Going over a base or primer will let you cover in a fewer coats but your progress looks pretty good. You're using actual turpentine for thinner though? I suggest mineral spirits or thinning fluid from brightside. Also, that seems like a bit much penetrol but I might be wrong. Try a coat without penetrol at all.

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