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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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09/27/10 07:56 PM
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If painting a car was as easy as using a roller or a spray can I would be out of business. It kills me to think how much time and money people waste trying to save money. A simple paint job on a car with body work additional is a minimum of 5k. I run a shop that does mostly insurance work and some restoration work. There is a reason why spray cans and rollers dont work, they are CHEAP!!!!!!!!!
I don't have 5K or more for a paint job. Does that mean I should just tow my car to the junk yard? Drive it with crappy paint until it rusts out? Take it to an inexpensive "professional" paint place? (Did that. Cost me $1000 and after a year the paint's oxidized and flaking.) Just give up and take the bus to work?
You're essentially posting on a thread that's somewhere around 160-170 pages long in three parts. Before you speak, go back through ALL the previous posts and look at the paint jobs. I've also seen hundreds of posts about rolling on the Honda Tech forum, the Miata forum, a couple of VW forums, RolledOn.com, and a couple of other individual websites. I'm sure there are many more forums with $50 Paint Job threads that I've never seen. There are many people with 200 hours to do the rolled on paint job to excellent results, that don't have 5K of free money laying around. That's the reason for the rolled-on/sprayed-on Rustoleum/Brightside/"name-your-favorite paint" method of painting. It's trading time for money. Simple logic.
When I read your post, all I saw was someone who makes his living painting cars, and is either: a) pissed that he's losing business to the Do-It-Yourselfers, b)afraid of losing business to DIYers, c) worried that people will see that painting a car isn't a job that only professionals with years of experience can perform for exorbitant amounts of money, or d) just a paint snob who looks down on anyone who doesn't do it the way HE thinks it must be done.
Over the four years and eight months since this thread started (on 01/23/06), I've read dozens of people say that this method is for cheap a**es, won't last, is stupid, is for people who don't care about their cars, is for....... I've also seen MANY excellent paint jobs done this way. Before you make negative comments on this thread, and nothing you've said hasn't been said many times on all the rolled-on paint threads, go back and look at all the previous posts. They'll tell you who reads this board, why they read it, and what they're capable of accomplishing. Your previous comments are, to me, the same as a Chevy person coming on here and saying that Mopar cars are crap. I'm 47, and I've seen a lot of Mopars in that time that WERE crap. But I don't call all Mopar crap. And I don't do it on a board or a thread that is for Mopar lovers.
You make your living painting cars. Good for you. In this economy I'm happy for anyone who is gainfully employed. But I have no patience or respect for someone crapping on other people's efforts.
'nuff said.
Did you miss what he said? He spent 1k for a professional paint job with, I'm assuming, 2K paints. With adequate waxing and care, rustoleum can last 5 years, at LEAST 2 years. Auto paint, even a 5k paintjob, exposed to sun and rain and snow every day is likely to be fairly deteriorated after 10. Especially in the salt states. Now let's do the math.
Your paint job costs 5k. Looks great for 10 years and then will need another job(likely less than 10 years in my state).
My paint job costs $60. Looks great for 2 years at least. If I choose to repaint my car (which was made in 1992, guess the resale value on that) every 2 years: Labor: 40 hours TOPS for a rustoleum paint job with my cheapo HVLP gun and rotary sander/buffer. Even at 20 dollars an hour (which is way more than I make), my labor cost would be 800 dollars. If my paint job lasts roughly 1/5 the length of a professional paint job: 5x860=$4300. That's 700 dollars for gas, parts, and ect. The benefit becomes even MORE apparent when my transmission dies in 4 years. Rather than sticking a new transmission in a dieing car just because I spent 5K on the paint job, I can sell the car for parts and buy another car. Another benefit: I can repaint dents, dings, scratches and rust all myself for next to free.Just think about the other side of the argument before you try to tell everyone that it is a terrible idea.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III *DELETED*
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09/28/10 12:36 AM
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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09/28/10 09:07 PM
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sadly I don't have pictures of my finished car but after driving it around for one day I already got plenty of questions about the paint. 2 of them "professionals" asked me if it was single stage. "you get what you pay for" may apply to the mainstreem way of painting, but here its "you get what you put into it" I spent a year doing the paint job, but I only spent $30 in paint, and maybe $30 in supplies. I feel much better about doing the work my self and paying as little as I did. Honestly, I'd feel ripped off if I'd gone to someone like you. Your the perfect example of a greedy shop owner who sits behind his desk counting his money and thinking about the sucker he just milked dry. Now if you'd be so kind as to stop being an internet troll and leave us to our hobby I think we'd all be greatful.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
[Re: THEYOUNGGUN53]
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09/29/10 12:38 AM
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sadly I don't have pictures of my finished car but after driving it around for one day I already got plenty of questions about the paint. 2 of them "professionals" asked me if it was single stage.
"you get what you pay for" may apply to the mainstreem way of painting, but here its "you get what you put into it"
I spent a year doing the paint job, but I only spent $30 in paint, and maybe $30 in supplies. I feel much better about doing the work my self and paying as little as I did.
Honestly, I'd feel ripped off if I'd gone to someone like you. Your the perfect example of a greedy shop owner who sits behind his desk counting his money and thinking about the sucker he just milked dry.
Now if you'd be so kind as to stop being an internet troll and leave us to our hobby I think we'd all be greatful.
Im 33 yrs old and work in my shop everyday for 10-12 hours a day including weekends to pay for my mopar habit. 65 dodge 2dr post drag car and 70 challenger street car that I bought and redid both myself. As for ripping people cant help you there but I unlike most "mopar guys" I have only owned and drove mopars. 69 rr,70rr,70 challenger, 67 belvedere and a 97,02, and currently 05 3500 dually. I am greedy though I enjoy spending as much time with my two girls as I can.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III *DELETED*
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09/29/10 12:47 AM
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What part about this thread being about roller paint jobs did you miss? Why stir up crap just because you don't roller your car, there are plenty here who have and are happy with it and don't care to read about your $5000 paint job which I'm sure looks great, but you missed the point its about roller paint jobs.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
[Re: 66Hemiwagon]
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09/29/10 10:56 PM
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sadly I don't have pictures of my finished car but after driving it around for one day I already got plenty of questions about the paint. 2 of them "professionals" asked me if it was single stage.
"you get what you pay for" may apply to the mainstreem way of painting, but here its "you get what you put into it"
I spent a year doing the paint job, but I only spent $30 in paint, and maybe $30 in supplies. I feel much better about doing the work my self and paying as little as I did.
Honestly, I'd feel ripped off if I'd gone to someone like you. Your the perfect example of a greedy shop owner who sits behind his desk counting his money and thinking about the sucker he just milked dry.
Now if you'd be so kind as to stop being an internet troll and leave us to our hobby I think we'd all be greatful.
Im 33 yrs old and work in my shop everyday for 10-12 hours a day including weekends to pay for my mopar habit. 65 dodge 2dr post drag car and 70 challenger street car that I bought and redid both myself. As for ripping people cant help you there but I unlike most "mopar guys" I have only owned and drove mopars. 69 rr,70rr,70 challenger, 67 belvedere and a 97,02, and currently 05 3500 dually. I am greedy though I enjoy spending as much time with my two girls as I can.
fasinating, I'm 17 and I have no cash. I had to build a respectable car on my parents budget, which was quite small.
This topic accepts all car owners, we work together as a team to create something we can be proud of.
I really don't understand what type of point your attempting to prove but your really not getting anywhere, I highly doubt you will convince anyone otherwise about this process by trolling. Thats what Youtube is for.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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I actually got a very acceptable $60.00 paint job on my race car by using Valspar paint, available at Tractor Supply Company. I did use a cheapo spray gun rather than a roller. Now that race season is over for me, I'd like to get some more durability and gloss by "clearing" the car. Is there any clear that is preferred to use over the enamel? What about a 2k clear. I have already water sanded with 600.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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10/07/10 12:01 AM
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I actually got a very acceptable $60.00 paint job on my race car by using Valspar paint, available at Tractor Supply Company. I did use a cheapo spray gun rather than a roller. Now that race season is over for me, I'd like to get some more durability and gloss by "clearing" the car. Is there any clear that is preferred to use over the enamel? What about a 2k clear. I have already water sanded with 600.
I am currently considering clearing my rusto for the winter with the cheapo 70 dollar a gallon martin senour paint line from napa. I also know that duplicolor makes their laquer line (called paint shop, available at autozone), that may add gloss and durability. Unfortunately, from what I have heard about the paint shop line, this may not last for long before it begins to deteriorate. I've also read about people using minwax spar polyurethane(like you'd use on wood floors) although I am skeptical and think it is likely to yellow.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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10/10/10 04:39 PM
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Ok fellow rollers, I'm very intrigued about roller-ing my truck. It's a 1991 Jimmy, Full size, gold on black (currently). It's a west coast truck so it's rust free and the body on it is fairly straight. It's really straight for a '91. The truck will be very easy to pull apart, except for the top. It probably weighs 200lbs or better and it has never been removed. My question is this, I will be rolling it in my driveway as it's too tall to fit in the garage, would you guys recommend doing to top of the cab first since it will be the hardest? The paint will be going on in spring, as I don't want to fight rain and morning dew. I will be doing the truck in gloss black and as I learn, I may do so air brushed real flames in blue on the front. The nice thing about this paint, is if I screw up the flame job or just don't like it, I can redo the hood and fenders.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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Ok fellow rollers, I'm very intrigued about roller-ing my truck. It's a 1991 Jimmy, Full size, gold on black (currently). It's a west coast truck so it's rust free and the body on it is fairly straight. It's really straight for a '91. The truck will be very easy to pull apart, except for the top. It probably weighs 200lbs or better and it has never been removed. My question is this, I will be rolling it in my driveway as it's too tall to fit in the garage, would you guys recommend doing to top of the cab first since it will be the hardest? The paint will be going on in spring, as I don't want to fight rain and morning dew. I will be doing the truck in gloss black and as I learn, I may do so air brushed real flames in blue on the front. The nice thing about this paint, is if I screw up the flame job or just don't like it, I can redo the hood and fenders.
Gloss black is a HARD HARD HARD color to get right.Prep work really makes it. Any little ding or sanding scratch will show through on the final coat. But yes, painting the hard areas first would be a good idea. You might even get an extension arm for the roller, that might help!
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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Yes, I know.... but I'm ahead of the game as the truck is already black and shows all it's dents and dings. The whole truck will be blocked sanded before even getting it's first coat-- It's really straight now, actually, it has a good one on the hood from a rock, a small dent on the pass quarter and about two dings on the driver door. Of course, when I block sand it, I'm sure I'll find some more. Spending the time on the truck, isn't going to bother me much as it's not a daily driver. It's a weekend warrior so if it's down for a couple of months for paint, so be it. The biggest pain on this truck will be aligning doors and fenders, they just never fit quite right on these rigs, even when they were new, GM panel alignment was a joke. It gets worse if they have been "twisted" off road any and mine has. As for the body, the previous owner took pretty decent care with this truck. I honestly can't find that many places where doors have hit it. Could be the nurf bars on the sides, could be that when you look at the truck, it looks like a charter member of the NRA owns it... I just don't know, but I'm telling ya, for a twenty year old truck, it's pretty dang good. BTW: TheYoungGuns bug is just awesome... That is one clean ride! All the work you put in, really shows.
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