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wiring/terminals Q #3172022
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Wiring up the stock car. other than the battery to the main cutoff then to the starter which are large welding cables, for general wiring (alt/reg/ignition) is it acceptable to crimp on the terminals or should I crimp & solder them? these are 10 gauge (alt to battery) & the rest are smaller (alt field/reg/ignition) & the crimp on terminals are cheap overseas ones which is all I could find at the time. thank you for your time. RR


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Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: RapidRobert] #3172037
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Crimps work fine as long as they are properly done. Its a personal preference


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Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: RapidRobert] #3172038
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When I wired our 70 Charger, I soldered any wire larger than #16.

I figured if they needed to be that large, they carried enough current to justify soldering.
Maybe a good mechanical termination would suffice, but I felt more safe with soldering, weren't that many anyhow.

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No argument with the above.
There are billions of crimped terminals out there working fine, as they were properly done.
I'm not a fan of the crimp terminals that have those big plastic "sleeves".
I use the metal ones - or remove the plastic - slide some shrink-wrap over the wire end, crimp them, and of course heat the shrink wrap.
Must be hundreds I've done that way with no problems.

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yes that is what I did, removed the plastic covers. I did start to solder em but my small soldering iron is not hot enough & I would have to go get one


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Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: RapidRobert] #3172052
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I should have mentioned that I buy non-insulated terminals; easier on the hands than cutting those plastic covers off laugh2
My local hardware store has them, if I don't need a bulk amount from McMaster-Carr or wherever.

Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: topside] #3172053
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Originally Posted by topside
I should have mentioned that I buy non-insulated terminals; easier on the hands than cutting those plastic covers off laugh2

iagree
I Crimp/Solder and heat shrink with adhesive lined tube...every size. I use non insulated connectors from Del-City but there are other suppliers.


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i use the marine grade heat shrink tubing with the adhesive as well.
when crimping, make sure you have a good, correct style crimping tool for the connection you are making. not those ones that come with the eleventybillion piece terminal kit from [insert the country of your choice here] available at all wally worlds and hobo fright.
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Yes, save yourself headaches and get one of the "ratcheting" crimpers. I got a pair off Amazon for about $30.


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Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #3172195
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Originally Posted by W.I.N. Racing
Originally Posted by topside
I should have mentioned that I buy non-insulated terminals; easier on the hands than cutting those plastic covers off laugh2

iagree
I Crimp/Solder and heat shrink with adhesive lined tube...every size. I use non insulated connectors from Del-City but there are other suppliers.


Another vote for Del-City non insulated connectors and good quality shrink sleeve. I crimp, solder, and shrink all terminals.

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Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: RapidRobert] #3172202
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Why not do both work up twocents
Do you have the proper crimping tool for your terminals ends? If not buy one now before starting up wrench twocents
I'm a little anal when it comes to wiring repairs, crimp, solder and heat shrink them all wrench up

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Uninsulated terminals, crimped, heat shrunk. I haven't soldered any of it in years.

2 ga battery cable, tops. Once the engine starts, anything bigger is just dead weight,

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Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: slantzilla] #3172219
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Originally Posted by slantzilla
Yes, save yourself headaches and get one of the "ratcheting" crimpers. I got a pair off Amazon for about $30.


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Good comprehensive info! I will make some changes. thanks guys. RR


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Re: wiring/terminals Q [Re: RapidRobert] #3172259
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Tin the wire and then crimp it.

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Do not solder. Not a good idea. Ton of info on the net for reference. Tinning the wire is fine, but not a full solder joint.

A quality lug properly crimped will be the best solution. Non-insulated lugs are best.

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Originally Posted by markz528
Do not solder. Not a good idea. Ton of info on the net for reference. Tinning the wire is fine, but not a full solder joint.

A quality lug properly crimped will be the best solution. Non-insulated lugs are best.
What is your reasoning about not soldering? shruggy
Corrosion affects many electrical circuit throughout our country that have humidity levels above 35% most of the time work
Soldering eliminates that up scope work


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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by markz528
Do not solder. Not a good idea. Ton of info on the net for reference. Tinning the wire is fine, but not a full solder joint.

A quality lug properly crimped will be the best solution. Non-insulated lugs are best.
What is your reasoning about not soldering? shruggy
Corrosion affects many electrical circuit throughout our country that have humidity levels above 35% most of the time work
Soldering eliminates that up scope work


Corrosion is an issue with soldering. Very difficult to remove all the flux from a solder joint. The left over flux will cause corrosion over time. Proper crimp with a proper heat shrink (sealant filled heat shrink is best) addresses the corrosion issues.

Biggest problem is cracking. The solder does not do well in vibration environments and a car is a vibration environment.

Bad connections have caused my company millions of dollars in failures over the past decade. We put a team together that addressed the connection problems . The conclusion is a proper sized good quality lug properly crimped is the solution.


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Crimp it .
as mentioned do a good job and use quality stuff. It would have to be in a poor atmosphere for a long time for a crimp to fail .

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FWIW I order most my wiring supplies Del City as well. I also use Duetsch connectors for all my stuff.


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