Low deck BB
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06/14/23 04:37 PM
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is anyone making a BBM low deck block. ?
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/14/23 09:54 PM
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I know that you could get a low deck Bulldog block. No idea if Jason Line is intending on doing them though, now that he's taken it over the Bulldog blocks.
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/15/23 08:06 AM
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I have a low-deck Bulldog that Barton machined and it checks good according to him.
Last edited by HardcoreB; 06/15/23 09:05 AM.
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Re: Low deck BB
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Just curious: all reports of AM blocks say 100 lbs. (+/-) heavier than stock. How do you know where that metal is, viz. is it useful for strength, or just a way of reducing machining costs?
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Re: Low deck BB
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I have a low-deck Bulldog that Barton machined and it checks good according to him. I looked on his website and he does not sell them, where did you get yours ?
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/15/23 12:52 PM
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I have an Indy low deck in my 64....
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/15/23 03:25 PM
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is anyone making a BBM low deck block. ? They have been made from time to time by various folks but have never been super popular. I'm not aware of any low deck blocks that are currently available. I did just receive a flyer from Bill Mitchel the other day saying they had Mopar blocks in stock.
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Re: Low deck BB
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FWIW this is my third low deck aftermarket deal. The other two were both KB's, one a 525 the other a 572. Pretty sure Indy is still doing them
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/15/23 04:30 PM
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Thanks guys, KB said no, so far Indy is it, almost 10k with all the options I need. VERY disheartening.
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/15/23 07:46 PM
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For BB’s, the block seems to be the only real place where we have to pay the Mopar tax. There isn’t a $3500 solution for the 800-1000 hp guys like the basic GM block offerings, that cost half the price of a Callies or Bill Mitchell block. It’s either use a stock block, keep the tune safe and risk it, or spend $7k or better for a serious race block.
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/15/23 08:09 PM
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For BB’s, the block seems to be the only real place where we have to pay the Mopar tax. There isn’t a $3500 solution for the 800-1000 hp guys like the basic GM block offerings, that cost half the price of a Callies or Bill Mitchell block. It’s either use a stock block, keep the tune safe and risk it, or spend $7k or better for a serious race block. An aluminum BBC is just as expensive as an aluminum Mopar block if not more. A dart block lists for $9700 and the Brodix block starts at $6300 but most would opt for the $8000 Brodix block as a starting point. Now comparing a Mopar steel block to a BBC there is about a $3k difference you can get a Dart Big M for about $3500 but no options and most order additional options when buying one. Last one I got in was $5700 with a few changes, .904" lifters and 55MM cam.
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Re: Low deck BB
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An aluminum BBC is just as expensive as an aluminum Mopar block if not more. A dart block lists for $9700 and the Brodix block starts at $6300 but most would opt for the $8000 Brodix block as a starting point. Now comparing a Mopar steel block to a BBC there is about a $3k difference you can get a Dart Big M for about $3500 but no options and most order additional options when buying one. Last one I got in was $5700 with a few changes, .904" lifters and 55MM cam. Agreed- was speaking specifically for cast iron. The difference is for the parts that fall somewhere between stock and the nice high end aluminum blocks. The Dart Big M or the Bow Tie blocks are totally ok for the not all out effort 900-ish hp crowd, which is where the only option is the $6500 Callies block for a Mopar, and isn't available in a low deck at all. I also knew a guy that was making 950-ish on spray for at least 5 years grudge racing with a stock gen VI 454 block, but that isn't any smarter than making similar power with a 440 block!
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Re: Low deck BB
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I would not be afraid of a serious build in the right 400 block. And which block would you be comfortable with a 230 block?
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Re: Low deck BB
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I would not be afraid of a serious build in the right 400 block. The problem now is finding a "good" block to start with. Unless you have it sonic checked you have no idea. I had 4, and 3 ended up in the junk pile because they were cracked, or too thin to even bore .030 over. Low deck aftermarket availability was zero when I built my engine however.
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Re: Low deck BB
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06/16/23 10:44 AM
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I would not be afraid of a serious build in the right 400 block. And which block would you be comfortable with a 230 block? That would be a start, I got a 230 block once that was stuck from water in one bank. I was able to get it unstuck and turn over but after sonic checking it was going to need 5 sleeves between core shift and rust pitting to use it at .030 over.
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