Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: AndyF]
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i'd use a dome piston for around 14:1cr, and std EZ-1's with some minor clean up/valve job corrected, and more than likely a roller cam.
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It would be interesting to see how that combo of roller cam and std EZ heads would work. The only motor I built with the std EZ head didn't really work out so well. Once I had the EZ heads opened up to max wedge size they took off. But I'm sure if a person played with those heads a bit in std form they could be made to work. There are a lot of fast cars with heads that are worse than a std EZ!
i guess that my calling the EZ-1's the "standard" head might be confusing. the EZ-1 is the non-ported MW sized head. that is what i would use, not the std port EZ head.
the 4 versions are: *EZ (std port, no porting, stock oiling, std rockers)
*EZ-1 (MW port, no porting, stock oiling, std rockers)
*EZ-295CNC (MW port, 295cc intake port, external oiling, std rockers)
*EZ-325CNC (MW port, 325cc intake runner, external oiling, uses ICH 440-1 type offset intake rockers)
well...actually....to be more precise.....i would buy the std port EZ's because they are less expensive, and then i'd open them up to MW size myself. sort of like paying myself the $150 for the job instead of Indy
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: FastOrange]
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Let me stir the pot some more Other than external oiling, how about a 4.5" stroke in an RB block? Is it doable. Pros/Cons????
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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10/14/06 02:59 PM
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OOTB EZ-1 - how far into the port does the Indy CNC go? For an average guy, I think paying the $150 is a no-brainer. You get CNC matched bowls too. I can port heads, but I feel OK going in on iron heads....a set heads that a slip doesn't mean going back to teh boneyard - another ballgame for me And, if I remember correctly, the OOTB EZ-1 flow wasn't too far of the EZ-295 version. I think a good bang for the buck would be some EZ-1's, and having you do a basic prep on them - ie touch up the valvejob.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: AndyF]
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i generally use Isky 9385 springs set up at 2.00" with CV products Ti retainers and Comp 10deg locks. this is 240lbs on the seat, and 600lbs at 1.300.
ive sold several sets of EZ heads with that spring/retainer combo....works well for a typical low maintenance mid-.600 lift bracket roller for motors turning 7300-ish or less(depending on cam profile).
if i were looking for more power, yet keep things pretty reliable, i'd run a Comp 951 spring at 1.950, with a 1.6 rocker and a cam in the low-700's for lift. i'd just use HS rockers, since they fit these heads pretty well, seem to hold up okay, and are readily available.
at 14:1CR, depending on the overall car/chassis combo......i'd be looking for something around 280 @ .050.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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10/14/06 03:51 PM
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Let me stir the pot some more Other than external oiling, how about a 4.5" stroke in an RB block? Is it doable. Pros/Cons????
Dram, Is it really off topic? I thought we were discussing an easy, affordable 700 that anyone could duplicate? Not saying the 4.5 option won't be dismissed as overkill in a stock block...but it merits more than an emoticon I would think.
I really wouldn't consider anything less than titanuim retainers, at this level, I think the initial price is justified by the advantages.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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10/15/06 12:28 PM
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Hey, we're already up to 4.375" I was just wondering out loud about the 4.5" crank because it's only recently become available as a "budget crank". Dram builds race engines for a living, so judging by his response maybe there is a lot more involved that drives the budget up even higher. I couldn't help but think about a 455" Pontiac engine. Long stroke 4.210" X small bore 4.150". A tons of torque low RPM motor. If we're only talking custom pistons, external oiling, and some block grinding doesn't sound like a giant amount of $$$ to me. Maybe you spend the $$$ there and don't do a roller cam setup? Anyway, I know the thread was about 700HP/on a tight budget. Anyway, great thread Andy, you could put the 4.5" down as an "option"
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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An update to this post since I just got back from the dyno with another combo. Same basic 505 with 13.5 compression, CNC EZ heads, 440-2 intake, 1050 Dominator, Comp Cam MM305 flat tappet grind, 2 inch headers, super stock oil pan. 740 hp at 6400 rpm, 640 ft-lbs of torque at 5500 rpm. This is a reasonable package that most guys could afford. 440Source crank, SCAT rods, Diamond pistons, Comp shelf cam, etc. I ran Schubeck lifters due to the cam changes that I do. A std set of lifters should live with this cam though if the break in is done carefully. Here is a picture for the archives.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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Heres a combo that my friend Robert just finished and its going to be in CarCraft pretty soon. Stock 440 block and crank with offset ground rod journals(470") and basically a 7.1" long BBC big and small end rod, 10.9:1 compression, pump gas, Box Stock Victor heads and manifold with a .670 lift solid roller with 270@.050. It made 711 horsepower with a 1000 cfm 4150 carb. The heads are like the 2nd set and T@D made the rockers for them using these heads. Seems like 700 horsepower just got a little easier to make. There was very little tuning on the Dyno and more is to come because the engine is still on the Dyno.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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12/07/06 10:26 AM
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470"... 10.9:1 compression, pump gas, Box Stock Victor heads and manifold with a .670 lift solid roller with [Email]270@.050.[/Email] It made 711 horsepower with a 1000 cfm 4150 carb.
On whose dyno? Sounds to me.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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I didn't think the Victor heads were good enough to go 700 hp out of the box on a pump gas 470.
Me either, which is why I asked.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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Heres a combo that my friend Robert just finished and its going to be in CarCraft pretty soon. Stock 440 block and crank with offset ground rod journals(470") and basically a 7.1" long BBC big and small end rod, 10.9:1 compression, pump gas, Box Stock Victor heads and manifold with a .670 lift solid roller with [Email]270@.050.[/Email] It made 711 horsepower with a 1000 cfm 4150 carb. The heads are like the 2nd set and [Email]T@D[/Email] made the rockers for them using these heads. Seems like 700 horsepower just got a little easier to make. There was very little tuning on the Dyno and more is to come because the engine is still on the Dyno.
How soon is "soon" in the world of Car Craft type mags?
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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My combo which will be fired this weekend(I hope), I think is in the ball park. 508ci 440 .040 over w/girdle 4.250 crank, 7.100 rod, ross flat tops(11.3 comp) Scott Brown solid FT 259/266 @ 50, 625/635 lift w/1.6 rockers, 112 LSA EZ heads MW ported (340cfm @ 600) 440-2 intake, 900cfm carb
wad ya think??
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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My combo which will be fired this weekend(I hope), I think is in the ball park. Quote:
508ci 440 .040 over w/girdle 4.250 crank, 7.100 rod, ross flat tops(11.3 comp) Scott Brown solid FT 259/266 @ 50, 625/635 lift w/1.6 rockers, 112 LSA EZ heads MW ported (340cfm @ 600) 440-2 intake, 900cfm carb
wad ya think??
John - I think the combo sounds awesome and if nothing else, should come real close to 700hp. I think it will be a shoe-in with a bigger carb, just my .
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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Heres a combo that my friend Robert just finished and its going to be in CarCraft pretty soon. Stock 440 block and crank with offset ground rod journals(470") and basically a 7.1" long BBC big and small end rod, 10.9:1 compression, pump gas, Box Stock Victor heads and manifold with a .670 lift solid roller with [Email]270@.050.[/Email] It made 711 horsepower with a 1000 cfm 4150 carb. The heads are like the 2nd set and [Email]T@D[/Email] made the rockers for them using these heads. Seems like 700 horsepower just got a little easier to make. There was very little tuning on the Dyno and more is to come because the engine is still on the Dyno.
Ok! We can race dyno's all day long and the only way we will know if the combo works is at the track. He say's 711 hp and he could be right. Then if the dyno likes to make good numbers just for a magazine, we can assume the motor should be in the 680 hp range or even higher. YES:NO? I think a 470" with OOTB Victors making 680+ hp is very good. Only time will tell on the Victors, and when more pro builds are in the works. Like I said, it all depends on how it works at the track. In the end, it's all good for MOPAR.
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