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700 hp default combo? #31438 10/10/06 01:17 PM 10/10/06 01:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	I see that we don't have a 700 hp baseline in the archives so I figured I'd take a stab at it. I'm sure it can be done many different ways but this seems to be a fairly cost effective method: RB block 4.350 bore 4.250 crank with 2.200 pins 6.800 Chevy rods 12.5 CR. (Diamond flat top shelf piston at zero deck) Indy EZ heads with CNC porting by Modern Cylinder Head Indy 440-3 intake or 440-2 with 4500 adapter 1050 Dominator carb Flat tappet cam about the size of a MP .620 2 inch headers Torque peak should be around 5200 rpm with power peak around 6200 rpm. Last edited by AndyF; 10/10/06 01:33 PM.

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: AndyF] #31439 10/10/06 01:39 PM 10/10/06 01:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 945 La Vernia, Texas Pat7272 super stock
Pat7272 super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 945 La Vernia, Texas	cam specs?

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Pat7272] #31440 10/10/06 02:13 PM 10/10/06 02:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,062 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,062 U.S.S.A.	Quote: cam specs? Quote: Flat tappet cam about the size of a MP .620

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: AndyF] #31441 10/10/06 02:27 PM 10/10/06 02:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	So, what were the actual #s you came up with using the above combination? If you posted them elsewhere, I never saw 'em. Also, I'm "thinking out loud" when I wonder how close to 700 HP someone could get w/ a pump-gas friendly combination in the same general displacement (500" +/-) that still uses a solid flat-tappet cam. Oh, and bolting up a "real" exhaust system (3" w/ straight-through mufflers) shouldn't choke it to death, either... Last edited by Brad Hawk; 10/10/06 05:24 PM.

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: BradH] #31442 10/10/06 02:36 PM 10/10/06 02:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,928 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,928 NC	For a pump gas, muffler acceptable combo, I would stay away from the MP 620 cam. It likes lots of CR and its tight LSA (106) isn't muffler friendly. And IMO, a 500+ CID engine, especially with moderate heads, needs some LSA to go along with the desired duration. Maybe 109-112 LSA and 260-280� at 0.050" 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: 440Jim] #31443 10/10/06 03:03 PM 10/10/06 03:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	The cam in my 505 was 270/275 ground on a 109 center. I just used the MP .620 as a "place holder" for the default motor. I think it would work okay for a race motor and it is certainly inexpensive, but wouldn't necessarily be ideal. Brad, we were making around 725 hp with the Dominator carb and the 440-3 intake. There is a bunch more power to be found in the combo but we ran out of time. (or to be more precise, I ran out of money! $500 a day on the dyno starts to add up after a while) I don't think it would be any problem to get 700 hp from a pump gas version of this motor on a dyno. But, if you combine pump gas + real world driving + full exhaust it starts to get tough. The cam choice becomes very critical. Last edited by AndyF; 10/10/06 03:07 PM.

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: AndyF] #31444 10/10/06 03:05 PM 10/10/06 03:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,877 SE Nunya Bubba master
Bubba master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,877 SE Nunya	how 'bout some cnc ported -1's

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Bubba] #31445 10/10/06 03:10 PM 10/10/06 03:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	The 440-1 heads are more money and they don't seem to be necessary for 700 hp. If the EZ heads will get it done with standard rocker arms, standard port location and internal oiling then why not go that way?

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: AndyF] #31446 10/10/06 03:25 PM 10/10/06 03:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx Jacob Pitt master
Jacob Pitt master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx	I'm right at that number now with standard stroke rb and a .055 overbore. 2013 NHRA D4 Stock Champ #4 in the World IHRA Stock 2x IHRA Div.4 Stock Champ 14x Track Champ All using a Ultimate Converter Concepts converter. Call Lenny today 704-892-6837

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: AndyF] #31447 10/10/06 03:27 PM 10/10/06 03:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,855 Staten Island N.Y. Dap top fuel
Dap top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,855 Staten Island N.Y.	Dwayne has a real nice combo making 712hp I recall with a roller cam race gas a set of SR`s and only 451 cubes Last edited by Dap; 10/10/06 03:35 PM. PRH446 10.084 @ 135.21 mph N/A through chambered mufflers,3300lbs. Stock stroke wedge

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Dap] #31448 10/10/06 04:03 PM 10/10/06 04:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	How about the new Victor's, they are certainly inexpensive..??? Haven't heard much said on them though...??? Rickster

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Jacob Pitt] #31449 10/10/06 04:17 PM 10/10/06 04:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,878 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,878 S.E. Michigan	Quote: I'm right at that number now with standard stroke rb and a .055 overbore. What is the rest of the combination like, if you don't mind me askin'?

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Jacob Pitt] #31450 10/10/06 04:26 PM 10/10/06 04:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,721 Portage,michigan B B3422W5 I Live Here
B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,721 Portage,michigan	Quote: I'm right at that number now with standard stroke rb and a .055 overbore. ummm...not to pick a fight...but running 9.90's at 133 at 3400 pounds is far from 700 ponies...our smallblock runs those numbers or a hair quicker at pretty much the same weight...no where near 700 ponies 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: ZIPPY] #31451 10/10/06 04:28 PM 10/10/06 04:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx Jacob Pitt master
Jacob Pitt master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx	Indy Ez-1 heads cnc ported by MCH. Straightline roller cam about .640 lift. BME rods, Venolia domed pistons with about 13 to 1 compression. Indy single plain intake, Quickfuel 950, TTI 2" headers. Crankshaft specialist standard crank lightened. 2013 NHRA D4 Stock Champ #4 in the World IHRA Stock 2x IHRA Div.4 Stock Champ 14x Track Champ All using a Ultimate Converter Concepts converter. Call Lenny today 704-892-6837

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: B3422W5] #31452 10/10/06 04:32 PM 10/10/06 04:32 PM
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Dartman928 master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,792 IN	Quote: Quote: I'm right at that number now with standard stroke rb and a .055 overbore. ummm...not to pick a fight...but running 9.90's at 133 at 3400 pounds is far from 700 ponies...our smallblock runs those numbers or a hair quicker at pretty much the same weight...no where near 700 ponies 340Ricks engine make 670hp pretty close

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Dartman928] #31453 10/10/06 04:35 PM 10/10/06 04:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,721 Portage,michigan B B3422W5 I Live Here
B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,721 Portage,michigan	Quote: Quote: Quote: I'm right at that number now with standard stroke rb and a .055 overbore. ummm...not to pick a fight...but running 9.90's at 133 at 3400 pounds is far from 700 ponies...our smallblock runs those numbers or a hair quicker at pretty much the same weight...no where near 700 ponies 340Ricks engine make 670hp pretty close the duster is heavier and faster and probably makes 630.....it must be in the tuneup....lol 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Dap] #31454 10/10/06 04:38 PM 10/10/06 04:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	I remember Dwayne's combo but the roller cam pushes the budget up almost a grand. The SR's might be a good trade for the EZ heads depending on your header situation. My thinking is that since the 4.250/2.200 crank, 6.800 rod and the Diamond piston are all shelf stock items, this is a pretty easy combo to build. I don't think it costs anymore to build one of these 505 shortblocks than it would to build a 451 with a new crank.

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: rickstershemi] #31455 10/10/06 04:44 PM 10/10/06 04:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	Nobody that I'm aware of has put the Eddy Victor heads on the dyno yet. If the Eddy engineers did a good job and the marketing guys price it correctly then it should be a good fit for this type of motor.

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: Bubba] #31456 10/10/06 05:11 PM 10/10/06 05:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 659 Regina, SK, Canada charger mopar
charger mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 659 Regina, SK, Canada	my 505 made 692HP at 6300 RPM on pump gas, 10.5:1 and a ported dual plane Indy Intake w/ a 4150. Heads were mildly ported 440-1's and I'm using a custom roller cam that's fairly tame. Peak TQ came in at 5300 RPM. This motor is for the street. With a single plane and a dominator I think it should make QUITE a bit more....I think the AndyF motor is a less expensive way to reach the same result...

Re: 700 hp default combo? [Re: AndyF] #31457 10/10/06 05:13 PM 10/10/06 05:13 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	I have found a few new victors on fleabay for $1,399.00 a set with springs....????? Rickster

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