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Who's Valve Springs to Use? #3092273
11/07/22 12:22 PM
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So you guys know my issues with the Hemi eating intake valve springs....Who's springs should I go with on this rebuild for just over .700" lift?

Remember, this is street/strip application.....I can post the new cam specs later when I get home.

Last edited by Dragula; 11/07/22 12:23 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Dragula] #3092276
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IMO the best are PSI springs with Xceldyne locks/retainers.


69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: INTMD8] #3092283
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Originally Posted by INTMD8
IMO the best are PSI springs with Xceldyne locks/retainers.


I second this


1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI
512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: CSK] #3092395
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I have nothing but good things to say about Pac. Never broke any. They've showed zero loss in pressure on the two sets I replaced just on maintenance. Everything in the valve train is happy. Close to 600 passes on the lifters. Valve seats stay nice.
Doug

Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: dvw] #3092401
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PAC here too.....Springs on my engine have been run 3 years with heavy stainless valves and hundreds of passes and yet to see any pressure loss.


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68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152
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Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: moparacer] #3092405
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Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Dragula] #3092412
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My first thought was, are they suffering from too much heat, not enough oil cooling? No spring will hold up well if it gets too hot. Figure that out and you might find it isn't your choice of springs so much as the heat.
What springs are you running? Are they up to the task?


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Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: gregsdart] #3092417
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Originally Posted by gregsdart
My first thought was, are they suffering from too much heat, not enough oil cooling? No spring will hold up well if it gets too hot. Figure that out and you might find it isn't your choice of springs so much as the heat.
What springs are you running? Are they up to the task?

This is by George Bryce, its about motorcycles but it applies to car heads also, good info,

https://youtu.be/9KvRBzKjCho?list=PLB2-V7-On60DG44XrHYCVcjnL2yAoCUa2

Last edited by csk; 11/07/22 10:03 PM.

1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI
512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: gregsdart] #3092418
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PSI, or the Isky toolroom premium stuff, depending on the requirements. S/F....Ken M

Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: EchoSixMike] #3092467
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My Dad and I have used comp endurance springs in my 418". The original camshaft in 2015 used the same springs until this summer when we changed cams. 7 years and 3 drag weeks with no problem at .650ish of lift at the retainer. 80% of drag week for me is 3000-3500RPM cruise.

If you haven't I would have someone spec a camshaft that knows you plan to drive it on the street. What little you may lose in performance you will likely gain in longevity. My first camshaft mentioned above used lobes that comp normally uses for circle track stuff. The current camshaft was lobes from the "Low shock" line that is supposed to be softer on the valvetrain. The new cam only has one drag week on it, and that may be its last as its actually a little slower lol, still some things to try before we take it out though.

That all being said my old 360 had 4 drag weeks on it with some random Reed grind .650(on the card) solid roller. I used $100 K motion K800 springs and changed them every year before drag week. I never hurt one of those springs either but they were cheap enough I never ran them more than one season.

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Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Bad340fish] #3092486
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For street/strip endurance applications, Isky Tool room or Manley Nextek springs.

AG.


1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: turbobitt] #3092493
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All of the higher end Isky springs are PAC-alloy or PSI. I have never seen either break. I have seen them turn blue from heat but never fractured. I have a set of PAC springs that came off of a 540 Hemi with a +.700 lift solid roller. The owner wanted a smaller cam after the first few dyno pulls lol.

What are the OD and IH of the springs you are currenty using? I have the matching retainers also (stage V heads).



Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Jeremiah] #3092503
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PAC springs on my hemi.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Dragula] #3092505
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@Dragula - check your PMs


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092511
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Sorry, forgot to post cam specs.....I will get to it tonight...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3092517
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
PAC springs on my hemi.

I believe Dwayne set you and me up with the same PAC 1243 springs, but I have no experience using them at this point


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092524
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I don't know how aggressive the cam is or what the manufacturer suggests for springs but you might be able to run the same ones I use.

PSI 1575ML

With .710 lift it would be-

1.86 installed 228lbs

1.15 open 625lbs


1.4 diameter of the above saves a lot of weight over the 1.55 stuff.

Would say you need to measure actual lift rather than base the installed height on theoretical lift if you haven't already done so.

I think the strongest pushrods that fit is very important as well.

Last edited by INTMD8; 11/08/22 10:56 AM.

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Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092532
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Originally Posted by Brad_Haak
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
PAC springs on my hemi.

I believe Dwayne set you and me up with the same PAC 1243 springs, but I have no experience using them at this point

Yes he did. up I'm on my 3rd set of them since 2006. I just changed them out when I freshened it up. They still pressure checked good both times.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Who's Valve Springs to Use? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3092542
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I prefer PAC sprinmgs myself. Always given me great service life, we run them on the heads up car as well. So cant say never broke one but 10,000+ rpm can do that


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PAC on my Hemi and 440 Sixpack. We use thousands of sets od PAC and PSI with no major issues with either.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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