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Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps #3034401 04/17/22 01:57 PM 04/17/22 01:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 906 Washington H hemienvy OP super stock
hemienvy OP super stock H Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 906 Washington	Edelbrock 8814 pump, if you are using it, what water manifold are you using, and is it keeping the engine cool ? 440 Source 113-1005 pump, if you are using it, what water manifold are you using, and is it keeping the engine cool ?

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: hemienvy] #3034411 04/17/22 02:16 PM 04/17/22 02:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,553 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,553 Rittman Ohio	I went with a Flowkooler pump when I had some issues with my cooling system and I really like how much coolant it moves even at idle. It's mounted on a Mancini housing. Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: fourgearsavoy] #3034419 04/17/22 02:32 PM 04/17/22 02:32 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct. T turbobitt super stock
turbobitt super stock T Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct.	I am also using the FlowKooler pump but on a 440 source housing. I had switched out my big aluminum radiator to a more stock appearing Glen Ray radiator with a stock shroud and clutch fan setup and it actually runs cooler than the dual electric fans and aluminum radiator. I was wondering if the water pump was going to be gimmicky but it seems to actually work. FWIW this is on a 572 Hemi with 11:1 compression, aluminum heads and a decent roller cam. AG. 1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: fourgearsavoy] #3034425 04/17/22 02:53 PM 04/17/22 02:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,645 San Jose,CA migsBIG YouTube is my go-to news source
migsBIG YouTube is my go-to news source Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,645 San Jose,CA	That pump looks nice. Looking to upgrade mine as well. [IMG]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p265/migsbig/Hippo_skull_dark-1.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: migsBIG] #3034430 04/17/22 03:29 PM 04/17/22 03:29 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,916 usa L lewtot184 master
lewtot184 master L Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,916 usa	my car runs 10-20 degrees hotter with the edelbrock/440 source type pump. currently using a flow kooler but have had good luck with a pump that has the longer 6 blades with the anti-cavitation disc; IIRC milodon.

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: migsBIG] #3034431 04/17/22 03:33 PM 04/17/22 03:33 PM
Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 906 Washington H hemienvy OP super stock
hemienvy OP super stock H Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 906 Washington	I was just looking at the Flow Cooler. There appears to be two water manifold "depths" for the vanes over the years. Early manifolds with drivers side inlet and later, deeper, with passenger side inlet. Most of the aftermarket pumps appear to be for the early shallower type manifold. Shallow meaning the angled circular floor is not machined as deep. So certain pumps can't be used with this design manifold because the vanes would contact the floor when you bolt the pump down and the pump couldn't turn. And vice versa, a shallow pump in a deep manifold won't cool at all.

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: hemienvy] #3034434 04/17/22 03:51 PM 04/17/22 03:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,858 Pattison Texas CSK master
CSK master Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,858 Pattison Texas	I have the 440 source pump & housing, keeps my 512 with cold AC running 185 ish all day long, in the summer heat 106 deg 1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: CSK] #3034818 04/18/22 08:21 PM 04/18/22 08:21 PM
Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 906 Washington H hemienvy OP super stock
hemienvy OP super stock H Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 906 Washington	I just looked at Milodon, I don't like it when they say "fits 1959 to 1979 big blocks". It depends on which water manifold you have.

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: hemienvy] #3034865 04/18/22 10:07 PM 04/18/22 10:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,172 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,172 Bend,OR USA	What is a water manifold on BB Mopar V8s ? Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: Cab_Burge] #3034891 04/19/22 12:45 AM 04/19/22 12:45 AM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,076 Michigan A A727Tflite master
A727Tflite master A Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,076 Michigan	J Originally Posted by Cab_Burge What is a water manifold on BB Mopar V8s ? The water pump housing.

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: hemienvy] #3035512 04/21/22 01:10 AM 04/21/22 01:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 609 Boise M Moparteacher mopar
Moparteacher mopar M Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 609 Boise	Originally Posted by hemienvy I was just looking at the Flow Cooler. There appears to be two water manifold "depths" for the vanes over the years. Early manifolds with drivers side inlet and later, deeper, with passenger side inlet. Most of the aftermarket pumps appear to be for the early shallower type manifold. Shallow meaning the angled circular floor is not machined as deep. So certain pumps can't be used with this design manifold because the vanes would contact the floor when you bolt the pump down and the pump couldn't turn. And vice versa, a shallow pump in a deep manifold won't cool at all. I put my Flowcooler on an older Canadian made aluminum housing. Used putty to imprint the vane depth. Then had the mounting surface on the housing milled till the vanes barely touched the bottom. Used the gasket to move the vanes off the bottom. Current clearance between vanes and bottom of angled circular floor is .015". Ya' it moves water.

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: Moparteacher] #3035602 04/21/22 07:03 AM 04/21/22 07:03 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,839 NW Indiana F fbs63 top fuel
fbs63 top fuel F Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,839 NW Indiana	What water pump housing do you have? I know the early 440source housings were cast with smaller water passages that caused cooling issues. Also running lean or trying to run retarded timing to compensate for low octane will also cause cooling issues.

Re: Edelbrock and 440 Source water pumps [Re: hemienvy] #3035630 04/21/22 09:03 AM 04/21/22 09:03 AM
Joined: Dec 2021 Posts: 1,126 Loudoun County, VA Brad_Haak super stock
Brad_Haak super stock Joined: Dec 2021 Posts: 1,126 Loudoun County, VA	An Edelbrock pump in an MP aluminum housing worked better for me than an OEM pump in an OEM iron housing. IIRC, the temps while sitting in traffic weren't much different, but the car cooled down faster and temps were more consistent. 2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft) 1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)

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