Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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03/13/22 10:34 PM
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Can SS springs sag over time? Mine (#454/455) are 20 years old and seem to be sitting lower. The newer ones are horrible about losing arch. Made in Mexico garbage! It took mine way less time than that to lose their arch. Mine were 456/457.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
[Re: Jeff_383]
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03/14/22 08:32 AM
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I used new SS springs in 2006 on my 68 b body when I first put on MT drag radials. After a few launches on the street, They permanently bent the front segnent of the leafs. Such severe spring wrap up. I kept throwing pinion snubber bumpers off the car with them. They were complete garbage! I took ‘em out that week and put in Caltracs. 16 years on Caltracs and no sag at all and hook very consistently. They do offer +1” height, which I got on mine.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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I used new SS springs in 2006 on my 68 b body when I first put on MT drag radials. After a few launches on the street, They permanently bent the front segnent of the leafs. Such severe spring wrap up. I kept throwing pinion snubber bumpers off the car with them. They were complete garbage! I took ‘em out that week and put in Caltracs. 16 years on Caltracs and no sag at all and hook very consistently. They do offer +1” height, which I got on mine. That's about the time I bought mine. They were bent so much it was killing the driveshaft straps on the rear yoke. We did the Cal-Trac setup as well and the car launches level and much more consistent.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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I have buddies who have had SS springs on back order forever for B Bodies. I went with -1" split mono leafs and Caltracs on my Challenger to get it a little lower since I have 30" tall tires.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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03/14/22 12:09 PM
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Can SS springs sag over time? Mine (#454/455) are 20 years old and seem to be sitting lower. . Try Point Spring in Pittsburgh, they may be able to “re arch” them for you.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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03/15/22 02:47 PM
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If you are just looking for the stance, you can order regular or heavy duty springs from ESPO Springs and Things and specify additional arch made into them.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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My 454/455 springs haven't appreciably sagged in the last 20 or so years....That I have noticed! but, full disclosure, I bought them used/second hand and the seller claimed a reputable local spring shop, John R. Spring had reworked them. I think the springs already did whatever they were going to do and were probably fixed.
They had added a leaf, but beyond that.....I don't know what other work they did. The ride height was ridiculous with the added leaf. I took the added leaf out, shortened up the center bolt to match, and have used them that way for many years.
My experience is not typical if I can believe what folks have told me over the years... and I usually don't mention it..... ....but if budget is an issue it might be worthwhile to have a spring shop bring them back up to snuff.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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It may depend on which year B body spring you're wanting to use, pre 1964 B bodies used a shorter front half spring than the 1964 and later. I think all the E body springs have a 22.0 inch long front half and they were mounted sideways in relation to the rear subframes, the front mounts are wider apart than the rear mounts are I'm not sure if they will swap okay or not, sorry
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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It may depend on which year B body spring you're wanting to use, pre 1964 B bodies used a shorter front half spring than the 1964 and later. I think all the E body springs have a 22.0 inch long front half and they were mounted sideways in relation to the rear subframes, the front mounts are wider apart than the rear mounts are I'm not sure if they will swap okay or not, sorry Thanks Cab
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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Caltrac monoleafs will de-arch as well. Especially the rh leaf. I had Cal-Tracs on my Savoy for a few seasons then they completely lost their arch and were flat after about 90 passes and some street miles. Took them off and went back to 454-55 springs about 6 years ago and they still have the good arch Gus
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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I made the SS springs for my 65 Belvedere.
I took 1969 B body springs and swapped the pack onto the shorter 65 main leaf. There were two half leafs on the right and one on the left. It planted the tires evenly and didn't sag over the 15 years I had the car.
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Re: Super Stock springs sag?
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03/17/22 04:22 PM
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Caltrac monoleafs will de-arch as well. Especially the rh leaf. I had Cal-Tracs on my Savoy for a few seasons then they completely lost their arch and were flat after about 90 passes and some street miles. Took them off and went back to 454-55 springs about 6 years ago and they still have the good arch Gus Very surprised to hear that. Then it must be a crap shoot. Mine are 16 yrs old. About 120 drag passes and thousands of street miles and no sag at all. SS springs bent permanently for my car. I guess you just don’t know.
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