Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
fabricated oil pan #3015746
02/15/22 05:50 PM
02/15/22 05:50 PM
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 587
Texas
R
RustyM Offline OP
mopar
RustyM  Offline OP
mopar
R

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 587
Texas
Anyone have info on who makes a good /low windage race oil pan for a 540?
Looking to reduce parasitic losses as much as possible , have good oil control when wheels up, good oil pressure curves etc.
Lots out there for Chevy's, not finding much for mopars . this engine will have oil pump in standard location, mellings HV pump.

Thanks

Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: RustyM] #3015841
02/15/22 10:00 PM
02/15/22 10:00 PM
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 496
Michigan
B
BigFish69 Offline
mopar
BigFish69  Offline
mopar
B

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 496
Michigan
Try Kevco they will make pan for you

Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: RustyM] #3015870
02/16/22 12:14 AM
02/16/22 12:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,303
Oregon
A
AndyF Offline
I Win
AndyF  Offline
I Win
A

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,303
Oregon
Lots of pan builders out there, some fly by night, some really good. I had a bunch of pans built by Charlie before he retired. I've also had Kevko build several pans for me over the years. There are some billet rail guys who build Mopar pans also but they tend to be much more expensive.

25-62 (Large).jpgSS pan 2.jpg
Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: AndyF] #3015871
02/16/22 12:18 AM
02/16/22 12:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,303
Oregon
A
AndyF Offline
I Win
AndyF  Offline
I Win
A

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,303
Oregon
Here is the big dyno pan that Charlie built for my 514 race engine. Charlie was great to work with. He built really nice stuff, didn't take very long and didn't charge a fortune. He knew what he was doing and the pans worked when he shipped them to you.

514pan.JPG
Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: AndyF] #3015907
02/16/22 07:58 AM
02/16/22 07:58 AM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,106
MI, usa
dvw Offline
I Live Here
dvw  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,106
MI, usa
Here are the dimensions for one of the pans Andy showed that Charlie made for me. Its been a good pan for me. There is a front baffle, a rear bolt in baffle, and a swing trap door below the center link tube. You can see the baffles in Andy's picture.The factory dipstick location will not work. A dipstick tube was fabbed to fit in the right side kick out. Its calibrated to read oil in the pan, not the engine itself. If there are 7 qts in the pan it never fluctuates. Even at 6 qts the only time I saw anything was on hard braking. The center link hole may need adjustment for your engine placement. But a good welder should be able to copy it.
Doug

oilpan design.jpg
Last edited by dvw; 02/16/22 08:02 AM.
Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: RustyM] #3015924
02/16/22 08:55 AM
02/16/22 08:55 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 12,525
Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
Dragula Offline
I Live Here
Dragula  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 12,525
Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
Billet Fabrication...

KIMG0131.JPGKIMG0132.JPGKIMG0133-1.jpgKIMG0261-1.jpg

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: Dragula] #3015965
02/16/22 11:48 AM
02/16/22 11:48 AM
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 587
Texas
R
RustyM Offline OP
mopar
RustyM  Offline OP
mopar
R

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 587
Texas
Thanks guys, your all a blessing.
Last two seasons i worked pretty hard at reducing parasitic losses and we picked up good mph and lowered 60fts and et .
Now that we are building this BMP block at 540 ci , i'm trying to do my due diligence with oil control, windage.
Someone on here about a year or so ago ( might be 2, im old) mentioned an Engine masters oil pan shootout so, i went and found it- was amazed. Talked to some engine builders with dynos that confirmed this wasn't a fluke, it matters, 20-30 hp power of mattering in some cases .
There is a plethora of good pans for the chevy and ford crowd and, yes, i understand why but, never imagined the pickings would be so slim for us Mopar guys, not on oil pans anyway.
So, as usual, i come here and get some links- thanks guys, i honestly don't know what we little guys running mopars would do without this site, you folks.
Yes, we know this will be expensive but, 20--30 hp at this level always seems expensive- grin.
Thanks again.

Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: RustyM] #3015969
02/16/22 11:54 AM
02/16/22 11:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,636
Las Vegas
Al_Alguire Offline
I Live Here
Al_Alguire  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,636
Las Vegas
Windage is an issue with a BBM for sure. Oil in suspension because of the design of the pan and skirted block is an issue for sure. Poor windage control will exacerbate that for sure. Billet Fab, Moroso, Williams Perfromance, can all make custom pans and also have anumber of shelf units that are pretty nice as well.


"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."

"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: RustyM] #3015989
02/16/22 12:26 PM
02/16/22 12:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,303
Oregon
A
AndyF Offline
I Win
AndyF  Offline
I Win
A

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 31,303
Oregon
Custom pans are easy to build for a Mopar big block since the pan rail is flat. I have CAD files for the pan rails so when I had Charlie build my pans I would send him the billet rails. I had a local water jet guy cut the rails out of 3/8 or 1/2 inch aluminum plate for Charlie. If you go that way talk to the builder since they'll most likely want a soft sheet aluminum not a hard billet aluminum. I think Charlie always wanted a 5005 aluminum but I'd have to look at my notes.

Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: AndyF] #3015994
02/16/22 12:44 PM
02/16/22 12:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,295
Shelby Twp. Mi
HardcoreB Offline
master
HardcoreB  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,295
Shelby Twp. Mi
I know it's been mentioned but, not sure been processed. The price of a good performing oil pan usually comes with added cost of an accumulator system. I wouldn't run a good wet sump pan (e.g.- it picks-up power and minimizes aeration) without one.

Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: HardcoreB] #3018160
02/23/22 05:08 PM
02/23/22 05:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 253
near St Petersburg, FL
Lifsgrt Offline
enthusiast
Lifsgrt  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 253
near St Petersburg, FL
Stan at Stef's did a fantastic job on the custom dry sump pan he built for my 499" Bonneville wedge. Buit exactly to my external dimensions, fits perfect. If you design it he can build it.


B3 1969 Charger R/T SE, 440/727 with 3:91s running 11.07@120
Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: RustyM] #3018293
02/23/22 10:32 PM
02/23/22 10:32 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 44,038
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 44,038
Bend,OR USA
Do you have a crank scraper on the motor now? If not, you need one up
I build my own out of sheet metal and shoot for .020 to .045 clearances from the rotating parts, I build and install it on the passenger side, 1.0 inch holes for oil back at each main web and one at each end of the scarper for oil drainage: wrench: wrench uptwocents


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: fabricated oil pan [Re: Cab_Burge] #3018299
02/23/22 10:47 PM
02/23/22 10:47 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,106
MI, usa
dvw Offline
I Live Here
dvw  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,106
MI, usa
When Dave Koffel was running B engines in Comp there were some blocks with the sides milled out from the pan rail up to the main cap parting line between the mains. There were buckets attached to the side of the block open at the bottom to the widened pan.
Doug







Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1