Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Teflon would be my choice, if you can use it without kinking it I've use the braided black vito lined Fragola hose and fittings also for the pickup side That hose is easier to use and make, except for getting it pushed on all the way on the fittings Boiling water is your friend for assembling them
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Talk with Chuck over at Best - he makes some real nice hoses for the suction side - they also put a coil spring inside the line to prevent collapse I'll be following this post closely. I will have my 572 completed shortly and while its on the stand I will shoemaker a couple of lines on it so I can test prime the oiling system before I glue the intake manifold on. Then I will have to bolt the engine in my Duster to finish the oiling system as its a little tight with the heads-up rules. I like those lines from Chuck. That looks like a nice set-up. I won't chance making my own lines for this one as I like the security of crimped lines.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Teflon would be my choice, if you can use it without kinking it I've use the braided black vito lined Fragola hose and fittings also for the pickup side That hose is easier to use and make, except for getting it pushed on all the way on the fittings Boiling water is your friend for assembling them Same here. Fragola on almost all of my stuff. As Cab Burge said "I've use the braided black vito lined Fragola hose and fittings also for the pickup side". I also added some heat wrap due to how close mine come to the #1 tube due to modifying it for the rack & steering shaft
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Okay, thx for replies. Synthetic rubber/viton lined is acceptable, then.
I think I could probably use the teflon since it's a pretty straight shot in my application, but it seems more difficult to work with.
Will go with the regular stuff for now and see how I like it.
Thanks again.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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01/10/19 07:18 PM
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I've always just used the normal braided steel hose. Nothing special and never had any issues w/ it.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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01/10/19 07:56 PM
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I use steel braided. Examine your fittings to see if the one giong into the pan is too Long creating a restriction. I had to trim mine quite a bit.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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here is my single line set-up looped up and over never had a priming problem
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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01/12/19 12:04 PM
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15+ years using std braided hosing in that application with no issues.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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For those running a Milodon system with the external adjustable relief. Anyone have a starting point as to how many turns to initially set it at? Thanks.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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I know my stock pump without adjustable valve primed up at over 100 psi. I'd probably put 1 turn from flush on it and prime it with a drill. You don't need to be running the engine with an unknown oil pressure. What he said, I've swapped my oiling system between engines and had to adjust accordingly. KB and Indy blocks oil pathways, clearance differences etc will likely mean a change in pressure so each engine will indicate different pressures. I use the same electric drill and set the pressure at 60psi on the stand and we're good to go.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Almost got it, just need to mount the pickup. First tried to go under the pump but that didn't work out with the filter in place. I'll leave the line a little on the long side so it can be trimmed of needed after it's installed in the car. Like so many other things it doesn't look like much but alot of thought went into it.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Is that fitting your using on the block or the oil pump? If on the block have you look closely at that fitting on the front of the block to see if you really want to use it? If not please do so before you finish making your new oiling system
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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The teflon hose requires the special PTFE fittings.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.
Time for plan C.
Thanks for the advice, all. It is tight down there. I welded on -20 weld on bungs & use -20 AN hose & fittings on my water pump housing to rad connections.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.
Time for plan C.
Thanks for the advice, all. It is tight down there. I welded on -20 weld on bungs & use -20 AN hose & fittings on my water pump housing to rad connections. Yeah, that would definitely work! Remote electric water pump would sure work....I'd probably love that...Not sure I could bring myself to do that without the usual belt drive to go with it, but, it would be cool. It all adds up and I don't want to out-trick myself just yet. I'll hit the "easy" button on this and will go with plan C (pump cover with bulkhead fitting sticking out). That should give me nicer routing and (very slightly) less restriction, and can keep the other things a little closer to stock for the time being.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.
Time for plan C.
Thanks for the advice, all. Hey Zippy, Mine has the front line and I also use a factory style waterpump housing. Lower rad hose is tight but it does clear. Ron
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.
Time for plan C.
Thanks for the advice, all. Hey Zippy, Mine has the front line and I also use a factory style waterpump housing. Lower rad hose is tight but it does clear. Ron So do I,sure gets crowded down there!
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Personally I would dump that oil pump and go with the newer milodon billet - A Hemi will move more oil volume than a wedge - hence the reason for two lines in - here is how we routed the front line. Milodon makes two covers for the pump depending if you are using the stock mounts or not - either way it gets real crowded down there by the oil filter
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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Personally I would dump that oil pump and go with the newer milodon billet An upgraded pump is a possiblity, and simple enough to change later if I'm not happy with the Melling. The hard 90 coming out of the block will definitely work, but I decided I want to try routing the hose differently.
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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q:
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I've been using the black nylon hose for a few years with no issues. I also use on internal spring when it is going to be making tight turns for sure if not always
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