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Dart SB Mopar Blocks #2575864
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I spent a couple hours with Richard Maskin yesterday and asked about a small Block Mopar block, right now there is NO possibility of doing one????? Maybe the new company that owns Dart will have to put feelers out there to see????

Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: dwayne welder] #2575873
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If I owned Dart I'd do a cast iron low deck big block with 440 mains. I'd design the block to be run at 4.50 bore x 4.25 stroke. I'd also invest in a few matching low deck intakes. Then I'd sit back and take orders.

I wouldn't invest a dime into making SB parts.

Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: AndyF] #2575887
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Originally Posted By AndyF
If I owned Dart I'd do a cast iron low deck big block with 440 mains. I'd design the block to be run at 4.50 bore x 4.25 stroke. I'd also invest in a few matching low deck intakes. Then I'd sit back and take orders.

I wouldn't invest a dime into making SB parts.


The small blocks would sell more than the big blocks I believe.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
If I owned Dart I'd do a cast iron low deck big block with 440 mains. I'd design the block to be run at 4.50 bore x 4.25 stroke. I'd also invest in a few matching low deck intakes. Then I'd sit back and take orders.

I wouldn't invest a dime into making SB parts.



Bob Book would disagree with you.

With turbos and such, a 400ish inch SB will compete with most everything under the big bore space hemi and the 481X stuff.

On small tires, the SB would be easier to tune, lighter and take up much less space in the engine bay.

Won't happen though. I suspect the Ritter is close enough that 1-2 more iterations and the block would work. Look how much farther ahead the Ritter block is than the Dart, which is just an idea right now.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: dwayne welder] #2575914
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With the supply of Magnum blocks out there in yards, I'd guess it'll be another decade before there is a business case the aftermarket can make work.

Who knows, by that time us small block guys may largely have gone Gen III leaving a tinier space for aftermarket LA blocks.

Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: BcudaChris] #2575915
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Originally Posted By BcudaChris
With the supply of Magnum blocks out there in yards, I'd guess it'll be another decade before there is a business case the aftermarket can make work.

Who knows, by that time us small block guys may largely have gone Gen III leaving a tinier space for aftermarket LA blocks.




Comparing a magnum block to a race block is like comparing an anchor to a pillow. It's rediculous.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: madscientist] #2575927
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Originally Posted By madscientist
Originally Posted By BcudaChris
With the supply of Magnum blocks out there in yards, I'd guess it'll be another decade before there is a business case the aftermarket can make work.

Who knows, by that time us small block guys may largely have gone Gen III leaving a tinier space for aftermarket LA blocks.




Comparing a magnum block to a race block is like comparing an anchor to a pillow. It's rediculous.


personally I think it's more like comparing a cast iron block to a plastic mock up block..

As much as I like the G3 Hemi, reality is if there was availability of new race blocks at a competitive price to the Factory BGE block, the small block is going to be the 1st choice for a max effort build.
it's narrow, more after market parts, Cams , rocker systems more used aftermarket parts. better header to chassis fit. Weight is about the same as the G3 but lets face it there are more proven combinations for the SBM.


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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: ric3xrt] #2575934
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Our problem is number one guys are cheap. Not just Mopar guys but most racers. Number two the factory stock LA block is strong enough to run 9.50’s-10.0’s at 3000 pounds and most aren’t even pushing them to that point. Why spend 5000.00 for a block for cars running slower than they are already capable of.


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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: AndyF] #2575936
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Originally Posted By AndyF


I wouldn't invest a dime into making SB parts.


Yep, making money VS. making horsepower, can't debate that one.
Business vs. "Passion".

By now everyone knows a small block mopar can run it's @$$ off.
Often times harder than most anything else comparable.

But, try selling parts for them + comparable parts for other Mopar engines for 20+ years or so. I found out real quick, Big block parts far outsell small block parts. Doesn't matter what the commodity is. Even Gen 2 426 hemi parts outsell small block. At one time i believed it might change over time....but the market has shown me it has not.


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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: madscientist] #2575953
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Originally Posted By madscientist
Originally Posted By BcudaChris
With the supply of Magnum blocks out there in yards, I'd guess it'll be another decade before there is a business case the aftermarket can make work.

Who knows, by that time us small block guys may largely have gone Gen III leaving a tinier space for aftermarket LA blocks.




Comparing a magnum block to a race block is like comparing an anchor to a pillow. It's rediculous.


As may be. The market will decide though, not some dude who can't/won't spell properly but uses cute similes.

Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: BcudaChris] #2575967
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Originally Posted By BcudaChris
Originally Posted By madscientist
Originally Posted By BcudaChris
With the supply of Magnum blocks out there in yards, I'd guess it'll be another decade before there is a business case the aftermarket can make work.

Who knows, by that time us small block guys may largely have gone Gen III leaving a tinier space for aftermarket LA blocks.




Comparing a magnum block to a race block is like comparing an anchor to a pillow. It's rediculous.


As may be. The market will decide though, not some dude who can't/won't spell properly but uses cute similes.


Exactly.
Trick Flow is coming to market with Small block heads and intake. I doubt they figured wrong.
Bunch of small block haters on here sometimes


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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: dwayne welder] #2575971
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I've got a NOS Siamese 59 degree (Siamese 340 replacement) sitting at home next to my tractor doing me no good. It will go up for sale pretty soon, I just need to set aside few hours to get out there,jockey stuff around, and blow the dust off it. It's been hard to find the time with other projects and the rest of life happening. Need max exposure so, all I can say is keep an eye on eBay.


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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: ZIPPY] #2575972
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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
I've got a NOS Siamese 59 degree (Siamese 340 replacement) sitting at home next to my tractor doing me no good. It will go up for sale pretty soon, I just need to set aside few hours to get out there,jockey stuff around, and blow the dust off it. It's been hard to find the time with other projects and the rest of life happening. Need max exposure so, all I can say is keep an eye on eBay.




I’ll give you 200.00 for it.


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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: pittsburghracer] #2575975
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Some of the fastest Mopar door cars I have seen at our track are smallblocks built with W series heads.

Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: dwayne welder] #2575979
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$250 and a standard bore 340 core block. callme


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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: pittsburghracer] #2575983
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By ZIPPY
I've got a NOS Siamese 59 degree (Siamese 340 replacement) sitting at home next to my tractor doing me no good. It will go up for sale pretty soon, I just need to set aside few hours to get out there,jockey stuff around, and blow the dust off it. It's been hard to find the time with other projects and the rest of life happening. Need max exposure so, all I can say is keep an eye on eBay.




I’ll give you 200.00 for it.


Cheap skate! I'll give $300, shipped.

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Re: Dart SB Mopar Blocks [Re: BcudaChris] #2575985
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Originally Posted By BcudaChris
Originally Posted By madscientist
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With the supply of Magnum blocks out there in yards, I'd guess it'll be another decade before there is a business case the aftermarket can make work.

Who knows, by that time us small block guys may largely have gone Gen III leaving a tinier space for aftermarket LA blocks.




Comparing a magnum block to a race block is like comparing an anchor to a pillow. It's rediculous.


As may be. The market will decide though, not some dude who can't/won't spell properly but uses cute similes.



What exactly did I spell incorrectly? Also, I don't smile, why would I use one in a post?


I stand by what I said. A magnum block is not a race block, nor will it ever be a race block.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Originally Posted By justinp61
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By ZIPPY
I've got a NOS Siamese 59 degree (Siamese 340 replacement) sitting at home next to my tractor doing me no good. It will go up for sale pretty soon, I just need to set aside few hours to get out there,jockey stuff around, and blow the dust off it. It's been hard to find the time with other projects and the rest of life happening. Need max exposure so, all I can say is keep an eye on eBay.




I’ll give you 200.00 for it.


Cheap skate! I'll give $300, shipped.


I'm it at 500.00 and I'll pay the shipping.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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I’m out!!!


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