Harland sharp or T+D rockers for 440-1 heads...
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What rockers do you like the best and why ?
Do not want to go with the cost of jessel so it is T+D or Harland sharp.
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T&D with a bushing, not the bearing.
They'll make them, you just have to ask.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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I have both and have had zero issues with either sets and I love the bearings in both
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Love my T&D rockers. Why the bushing? I run the bearings The short answer is never run a needle bearing on a reciprocating shaft. GM had a system so [censored] that the needle bearing was actually a step up. And the industry followed right along and the rest of us get the same garbage.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Harland sharp or T+D rockers for 440-1 heads...
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If you're going to run springs that are larger than about 1.580, and installed heights taller than about 1.950....... And the T&D system you're considering is the "single shaft" set-up, then you'll more than likely have to do some relieving of the rockers to clear the springs/retainers.
The HS rockers clear 1.625 springs with no issues.
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If you're going to run springs that are larger than about 1.580, and installed heights taller than about 1.950....... And the T&D system you're considering is the "single shaft" set-up, then you'll more than likely have to do some relieving of the rockers to clear the springs/retainers.
The HS rockers clear 1.625 springs with no issues. If I remember right Harland Sharp will also clearance the rockers for more if asked to do so.
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I have both and did break a HS once. It took about 700 runs though. I bought the T&D's for my -1 setup and haven't had an issue in three years. The LSM tool is golden for proper torque and adjustment.
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Thanks for all the input looking for the best in my budget regretfully paired rockers may be a little out of reach right now.
I was leaning toward T+D I have heard good about them I have also had good luck with harland sharp but never used them on 440-1 heads.
Thanks for the heads up on spring diameter. How they fit clearance and geometry wise was another question....
Now to price them.
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As was posted on another site.... Quote "with all the steel rockers available today, why would anyone run aluminum?"
I'd also add why would any one run needle bearings. They are so 1977.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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As was posted on another site.... Quote "with all the steel rockers available today, why would anyone run aluminum?"
I'd also add why would any one run needle bearings. They are so 1977. And which bushed steel rocker system do you recommend to use on the OP's Indy 440-1 heads?
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As was posted on another site.... Quote "with all the steel rockers available today, why would anyone run aluminum?"
I'd also add why would any one run needle bearings. They are so 1977. And which bushed steel rocker system do you recommend to use on the OP's Indy 440-1 heads? He is probably stuck with aluminum but he could at least use a bushing instead of needle bearings. I'd be surprised if Jesel didn't have something. This is why no one runs chryslers. If someone made a steel rocker, would any one buy it? I doubt it. When I begged for a set of Norris stainless rockers people made fun of me. Aluminum was only good for the manufacturers. So, my point should have been if I ever do another race car, it will have other than a Chrysler in it. You can only cobble junk along so much and then you just say [censored] it.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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As was posted on another site.... Quote "with all the steel rockers available today, why would anyone run aluminum?"
I'd also add why would any one run needle bearings. They are so 1977. And which bushed steel rocker system do you recommend to use on the OP's Indy 440-1 heads? He is probably stuck with aluminum but he could at least use a bushing instead of needle bearings. I'd be surprised if Jesel didn't have something. This is why no one runs chryslers. If someone made a steel rocker, would any one buy it? I doubt it. When I begged for a set of Norris stainless rockers people made fun of me. Aluminum was only good for the manufacturers. So, my point should have been if I ever do another race car, it will have other than a Chrysler in it. You can only cobble junk along so much and then you just say [censored] it. No one runs Mopars. Give me a break and come to Ohio or Pennsylvania and see how many Mopars run at our tracks. Lol. And we run the crap out of our aluminum roller bearing lifters. 40 years and never broke an aluminum roller bearing rocker but I don't run crap either. Harland Sharp or t&d rockers for me
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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