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3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? #2199271
11/20/16 05:42 AM
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My teenager is building a 64 sweptline. He put a 318 in it with a 90 3.9 v6 bell and a 833OD 4 speed. After bolting the starter in...we tapped it over and the starter just freewheeled. Pulled the dust shield off and realized there is like a 1/2" gap between the side of the starter gear and the flywheel teeth. Wish I would have checked that before he bolted it in the truck!

When we bought the bell, I thought all smallblocks were 130 tooth flywheels. I guess not. frown After searching posts...it appears he needs a 143 tooth internally balanced flywheel. I'm having trouble finding one except the $500 centerforce one...plus, I would like it to accept a 10.5 clutch since he already bought/installed a brand new one (on the 130tooth flywheel we have). Does such a thing exist? Anyone know where to find one?

Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Quicksilver440] #2199449
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I found this LUK flywheel: LFW106

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/luk-lfw106/applications/

http://schaeffler.opticatonline.com/part/bbzh-luk-lfw106?ctx_bv=1776&ctx_region=usa&ctx=1

I "think" its a 143 tooth..and pictures show it drilled for 2 clutch patterns...but I cant confirm. But I guess that could be a 11" and 12" pattern. Can anyone even confirm if this is a 143 tooth flywheel that takes a 11" clutch?

And confirm a LUK-05-038 is an 11" clutch?

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/luk-05-038

Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Quicksilver440] #2199461
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Buy a flywheel for a 90 V6, it'll bolt onto the 318, RockAuto has them for about $65, OEM replacement.


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Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Quicksilver440] #2199585
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Bolts up sure. Is the balance right?


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Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Quicksilver440] #2199600
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Yes, both the 3.9 and the 318 are neutral balance.


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Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Supercuda] #2199664
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Thanks for the reply. I looked at that $60 one on rockauto and looked up the specs....it is a 130 tooth flywheel (Which is what I have and doesn't work). Looks like that flywheel is for 90 V6 with a 5 speed. Looks like there is also 4 speed option that year (could that be a 833 OD? or maybe a truck 4 spd?) which uses the 143 tooth flywheel.

I have confirmed the 3.9 V6 and the 5.2's are all internal balance. Only the 360's were external balance.

Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Quicksilver440] #2199678
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Side question for you:

The V6 bell has the 5.125" input bearing size?


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Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Quicksilver440] #2199689
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Not sure what you looked at, did you look at a Dak or a Ram? I assumed Dak.

RA shows the Luk flywheel you posted for about $74 if you look under the 90 Ram listing.


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Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Supercuda] #2199698
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I looked under d150 ram...i saw the LUK there, good deal....but I don't think it's drilled for my 10.5" clutch. So, I'll probably need a clutch setup too. Just would like to order it all at once, or better yet use my existing clutch.

Yes, the V6 bell takes the big 5.125 retainer.

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Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: Quicksilver440] #2199997
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143 tooth neutral balanced flywheels.

http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,1992,d250+pickup,5.2l+v8,1086140,transmission-manual,flywheel,5348?a=Referer+www.bing.com+URL+%2F

There are also billet flywheels from places like 440Source for not too much more, and a billet flywheel is safer.

The flywheel will be drilled for an 11" pressure plate, either diaphragm or Borg & Beck, they use the same bolt pattern. This bolt pattern will also fit a 12" pressure plate.

Good news for you is that the 11" pressure plate will work with a 10.5" disk, there'll just be around 1/4" of pressure plate that doesn't get used.

OR, you could have a machine shop drill the flywheel for the 10.5" pressure plate. I did something like this and it cost $35.00 Holes are drilled all the way through and threaded, then counterbored so no threads pull up and keep the pressure plate from seating.

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Re: 3.9 v6 bell on 318 & 833OD..flywheel question..10.5 clutch? [Re: dogdays] #2200684
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Thanks guys...I went ahead and ordered a new flywheel and clutch setup and will just sell my current/ clutch setup to recoup most of it. It's easier that way...







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