Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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There has been very few people that have really shown what a R5/P7 engine is capable of. Most guys are buying up cheap ex Nascar parts, rather than starting with new castings etc and doing a full effort build. To that end, it's not an engine that's really proven itself as a drag racing platform.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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LOL uphill in a parking lot. The sad unfortunate truth of it. Be nice to run at a proper race facility but we will next year. Plan on making some trips back east to run NMCA East NA10.5, of course AFTER the engine gets quite a bit smaller first
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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I was talking to Ray Barton today, their gen3 426 ss hemi makes 950 hp.
50k to build
David has set the record again at 8.54 at 3400 lbs
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
[Re: SpareParts]
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I think the cost of stroking an R5 is what kills it. Not enough block height for a decent arm.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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I was talking to Ray Barton today, their gen3 426 ss hemi makes 950 hp.
50k to build
David has set the record again at 8.54 at 3400 lbs Needs more like 1075hp to run that number at 3400,950hp @3400 would be an 8.90 0ass.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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I was talking to Ray Barton today, their gen3 426 ss hemi makes 950 hp.
50k to build
David has set the record again at 8.54 at 3400 lbs I wonder if his labor is reflected in this cost or if someone could walk in with 50K and leave with an engine.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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Anyone have video of and 8 sec non tube chassis p7 going 8 anything ? Check out Bondobobs stock suspension Dart sport. Went 5.82 1/8 mile. That's high 8's.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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There has been very few people that have really shown what a R5/P7 engine is capable of. Most guys are buying up cheap ex Nascar parts, rather than starting with new castings etc and doing a full effort build. To that end, it's not an engine that's really proven itself as a drag racing platform. Cheap NASCAR parts? Windberg cranks, Lentz rods, JEPistons, Titanium valves, retainers, Jesel valve train. All cheap parts, that's why most mopars don't carry this particular list of brands. That said, Alan is sort of correct. Buy a used R5 that made 830 new. Worn rings, pistons, valves you still make over 800hp. The 575 torque and high RPM is what limits most from making record passes. I for one have not set the world on fire with little or big R5 engines. But, in fairness, I have really not put the same effort a class racer would. Both of my engines 358 or 440 would go 5.5's at 3000 with full exhaust. The 440 would do so with almost no challenge. It went 5.71 first pass in the car. The 358 would take some work. One get rid of the big motor bogging tires. Second put a 3spd auto or stick in the car and know what converter or clutch setup. Bottom line I have raced the 358 and 440 at a lot of Mopar shows. No one with a comparable combo was outrunning me. Sure it is easily possible. The average Mopar guy spent more to go slower. I would be happy to sit down and compare receipts. So I get a little tired of people talking down the R5. For the money you can't beat it. Wanna make 900 buy one and spend a little money on it. EEI blocks and 4" cranks are available to make it much easier. My 440 will make 900 on the pump. And it is cheaper to build with available NASCAR takeoffs. Build a all new combo as Ernie has done and 1000hp has been done.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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I was talking to Ray Barton today, their gen3 426 ss hemi makes 950 hp.
50k to build
David has set the record again at 8.54 at 3400 lbs I wonder if his labor is reflected in this cost or if someone could walk in with 50K and leave with an engine. Ray said out the door. By comparison I think an Indy drag pack engine is or was 25k
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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Are the Hellcats allowed to run in a stock class yet?
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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There has been very few people that have really shown what a R5/P7 engine is capable of. Most guys are buying up cheap ex Nascar parts, rather than starting with new castings etc and doing a full effort build. To that end, it's not an engine that's really proven itself as a drag racing platform. x2, the R5 block with a deck reinforcement plate will accept a rather large bore, get a set of new P7 castings, move the exhaust valve moved over to make room for a larger intake valve, and you got something to work with. The NASCAR port/valve/cam programs were never meant to feed anything more than 358 c.i.
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Re: Cost of 900 hp in a N/A small block?
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What cam core would be used on the Ritter block with P7 heads? I'm interested in building a 400" P7 and if it worked this could be a budget way to do it. It would be a R5 camshaft with a LA style front. They were machining the front of the R5 cores, but depending on what you were wanting to do, a custom core would probably be best.
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