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trans cooler preference #1788874 03/26/15 04:45 PM 03/26/15 04:45 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Mesa, AZ cagebob1 OP enthusiast
cagebob1 OP enthusiast Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Mesa, AZ	What type do you prefer? and why? the heat sink type? or the traditional tube and fin style?

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: cagebob1] #1788875 03/26/15 05:41 PM 03/26/15 05:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,923 A shed in England Tig master
Tig master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,923 A shed in England	B & M supercooler (IIRC). tube and fin - 6 hoses. Worked well for the 727 behind a 850ish hp 572 more strip than street. Can be purchased with fan if my memory is good. '74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: cagebob1] #1788876 03/26/15 05:52 PM 03/26/15 05:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Hayden builds MOST of the coolers on the market.. they make the B&M super coolers also... I prefer the tube and fin style http://www.haydenauto.com/ROOT-Home/Content.aspx

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: cagebob1] #1788877 03/27/15 01:34 PM 03/27/15 01:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Mesa, AZ cagebob1 OP enthusiast
cagebob1 OP enthusiast Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Mesa, AZ	Wow! 157 views and only 2 replies? I guess there aren't many opinions on trans coolers. Thanks to those who replied

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: cagebob1] #1788878 03/27/15 06:09 PM 03/27/15 06:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA Eric top fuel
Eric top fuel Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA	I have the B&M super cooler also.. 5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: Eric] #1788879 03/27/15 06:14 PM 03/27/15 06:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa. R rickraw top fuel
rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa.	X2 on the supercooler.

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: rickraw] #1788880 03/27/15 06:27 PM 03/27/15 06:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	X3 on the Supercooler. the tube & fin is more restrictive, the supercooler is more efficient @ dispersing heat, especially with a fan connected to it

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: cagebob1] #1788881 03/27/15 06:46 PM 03/27/15 06:46 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	On this page you can see what the different coolers are for and how much they cool.. and their purpose EDIT all these things are is a heat exchanger... the more fins you have contacting the tubes the more heat is pulled off.. until you start loosing the air flow across the fins.. if the plate style is so good WHY isnt a radiator made this way... the plate has its place and its used for engine oil... the fins on a plate are much thicker(less per inch).. a lot of times guys use what they buy without really knowing what to buy or were told that it works good... but if you dont try BOTH you wont know which is better... I can say I have tested both... and if you follow the Hayden direction you wont be sorry.. by the way.. when I say "tested" that was at work and on my own junk with thermocouples on the inlet and outlet to measure the temp drop.. if I still had my data I would post it but I threw it away years ago http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/Transmission_Engine_Oil_Coolers.pdf Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 03/27/15 07:22 PM.

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1788882 03/27/15 07:11 PM 03/27/15 07:11 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot
BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	""""""""Over 14 million transmissions fail every year, 9 out of 10 from overheating. Every 20�F drop in operating temperature can double oil and equipment life""""""" .....BUT ..... in a race car operation ... cooling the ATF too much kills the stall. I had a Bud that ran a J converter on a street car with as short a gear as a 2.9.....with ONLY a rad-tank-cooler ..... He never toasted the ATF in the many years he ran it....

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #1788883 03/27/15 07:27 PM 03/27/15 07:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: """"""""Over 14 million transmissions fail every year, 9 out of 10 from overheating. Every 20�F drop in operating temperature can double oil and equipment life""""""" .....BUT ..... in a race car operation ... cooling the ATF too much kills the stall. I had a Bud that ran a J converter on a street car with as short a gear as a 2.9.....with ONLY a rad-tank-cooler ..... He never toasted the ATF in the many years he ran it.... DO what you want... but I guess you dont warm up your trans... when a trans has been warmed up in the morning its good all day... so I'm sure it cooled some... and I dont buy you idea if its tooo cold

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1788884 03/27/15 07:48 PM 03/27/15 07:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot
BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	Quote: DO what you want... but I guess you dont warm up your trans... when a trans has been warmed up in the morning its good all day... so I'm sure it cooled some... and I dont buy you idea if its tooo cold Not my idea P-Guy .... it was a long-ago bud that worked at CTC. And I ran several cars myself with some real small coolers. NEVER toasted any ATF myself either. The last race car only I had a side mounted Hayden swirl-cooler .... the smallest they made. During one slow day at Detroit Dragway .... I made 33 passes IN A ROW ... non stop except for fuel That was with a mild 383 in that Bantam roadster.

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #1788885 03/27/15 09:25 PM 03/27/15 09:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,070 Mo. racerx master
racerx master Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,070 Mo.	x4

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #1788886 03/27/15 09:35 PM 03/27/15 09:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: """"""""Over 14 million transmissions fail every year, 9 out of 10 from overheating. Every 20�F drop in operating temperature can double oil and equipment life""""""" .....BUT ..... in a race car operation ... cooling the ATF too much kills the stall. I had a Bud that ran a J converter on a street car with as short a gear as a 2.9.....with ONLY a rad-tank-cooler ..... He never toasted the ATF in the many years he ran it.... By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9% slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride.. I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1788887 03/27/15 09:40 PM 03/27/15 09:40 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot
BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	I think I remember him saying that the temp(measured right off the converter) would spike at about 320 when staging ... NOT sure what brand F-type ATF it was ... but it was a good name-brand.

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1788888 03/27/15 09:42 PM 03/27/15 09:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot
BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	Quote: By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9% slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride.. I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler 9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ?

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #1788889 03/27/15 09:44 PM 03/27/15 09:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9% slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride.. I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler 9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ? .69 at 75 mph EDIT thats at 2900 rpm Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 03/27/15 09:49 PM.

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1788890 03/27/15 09:48 PM 03/27/15 09:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot
BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Quote: Quote: By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9% slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride.. I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler 9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ? .69 at 75 mph Ooooops ....shoulda' asked .....what gear and tire height?

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #1788891 03/27/15 10:48 PM 03/27/15 10:48 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9% slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride.. I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler 9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ? .69 at 75 mph Ooooops ....shoulda' asked .....what gear and tire height? Thats with a 295/55-15 with a 4.10 gear

Re: trans cooler preference [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1788892 03/27/15 11:55 PM 03/27/15 11:55 PM
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racerAL mopar Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 535 Ohio	ive been shopping them for a week. I think ive decided to go with this kit from Derale. http://www.jegs.com/i/Derale/259/12730K/10002/-1 8473103-AlanCox.jpg (98 downloads) -1967 Plymouth Satellite #3555 446 cid on E-85 best 1/4 et 10.577 @ 127.58 best 1/8 et 6.722 @ 100.68 best 60ft. 1.419

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