trans cooler preference

Posted By: cagebob1

trans cooler preference - 03/26/15 08:45 PM

What type do you prefer? and why?
the heat sink type? or the traditional tube and fin style?

Posted By: Tig

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/26/15 09:41 PM

B & M supercooler (IIRC). tube and fin - 6 hoses. Worked well for the 727 behind a 850ish hp 572 more strip than street. Can be purchased with fan if my memory is good.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/26/15 09:52 PM

Hayden builds MOST of the coolers on the market.. they
make the B&M super coolers also... I prefer the tube
and fin style

http://www.haydenauto.com/ROOT-Home/Content.aspx

Posted By: cagebob1

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 05:34 PM

Wow! 157 views and only 2 replies? I guess there aren't many opinions on trans coolers. Thanks to those who replied

Posted By: Eric

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 10:09 PM

I have the B&M super cooler also..

Posted By: rickraw

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 10:14 PM

X2 on the supercooler.

Posted By: rebel

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 10:27 PM

X3 on the Supercooler. the tube & fin is more restrictive, the supercooler is more efficient @ dispersing heat, especially with a fan connected to it

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 10:46 PM

On this page you can see what the different coolers
are for and how much they cool.. and their purpose
EDIT
all these things are is a heat exchanger... the more fins
you have contacting the tubes the more heat is pulled
off.. until you start loosing the air flow across
the fins.. if the plate style is so good WHY isnt
a radiator made this way... the plate has its place
and its used for engine oil... the fins on a plate
are much thicker(less per inch).. a lot of times guys
use what they buy without really knowing what to buy
or were told that it works good... but if you dont
try BOTH you wont know which is better... I can say
I have tested both... and if you follow the Hayden
direction you wont be sorry.. by the way.. when I
say "tested" that was at work and on my own junk with
thermocouples on the inlet and outlet to measure the
temp drop.. if I still had my data I would post it
but I threw it away years ago

http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/Transmission_Engine_Oil_Coolers.pdf

Posted By: dOc !

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 11:11 PM

""""""""Over 14 million transmissions fail every year, 9 out of 10 from
overheating. Every 20�F drop in operating temperature can double oil and equipment life"""""""

.....BUT ..... in a race car operation ... cooling the ATF too much kills the stall. I had a Bud that ran a J converter on a street car with as short a gear as a 2.9.....with ONLY a rad-tank-cooler .....

He never toasted the ATF in the many years he ran it....

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 11:27 PM

Quote:

""""""""Over 14 million transmissions fail every year, 9 out of 10 from
overheating. Every 20�F drop in operating temperature can double oil and equipment life"""""""

.....BUT ..... in a race car operation ... cooling the ATF too much kills the stall. I had a Bud that ran a J converter on a street car with as short a gear as a 2.9.....with ONLY a rad-tank-cooler .....

He never toasted the ATF in the many years he ran it....

DO what you want... but I guess you dont warm up
your trans... when a trans has been warmed up in
the morning its good all day... so I'm sure it cooled
some... and I dont buy you idea if its tooo cold

Posted By: dOc !

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/27/15 11:48 PM

Quote:

DO what you want... but I guess you dont warm up
your trans... when a trans has been warmed up in
the morning its good all day... so I'm sure it cooled
some... and I dont buy you idea if its tooo cold

Not my idea P-Guy .... it was a long-ago bud that worked at CTC. And I ran several cars myself with some real small coolers. NEVER toasted any ATF myself either.

The last race car only I had a side mounted Hayden swirl-cooler .... the smallest they made. During one slow day at Detroit Dragway .... I made 33 passes IN A ROW ... non stop except for fuel

That was with a mild 383 in that Bantam roadster.

Posted By: racerx

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 01:25 AM

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 01:35 AM

Quote:

""""""""Over 14 million transmissions fail every year, 9 out of 10 from
overheating. Every 20�F drop in operating temperature can double oil and equipment life"""""""

.....BUT ..... in a race car operation ... cooling the ATF too much kills the stall. I had a Bud that ran a J converter on a street car with as short a gear as a 2.9.....with ONLY a rad-tank-cooler .....

He never toasted the ATF in the many years he ran it....

By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with
OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9%
slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs
so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles
in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride..
I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler

Posted By: dOc !

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 01:40 AM

I think I remember him saying that the temp(measured right off the converter) would spike at about 320 when staging ...

NOT sure what brand F-type ATF it was ... but it was a good name-brand.

Posted By: dOc !

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 01:42 AM

Quote:

By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with
OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9%
slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs
so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles
in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride..
I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler

9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ?

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 01:44 AM

Quote:

Quote:

By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with
OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9%
slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs
so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles
in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride..
I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler

9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ?

.69 at 75 mph
EDIT
thats at 2900 rpm

Posted By: dOc !

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 01:48 AM

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By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with
OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9%
slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs
so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles
in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride..
I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler

9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ?

.69 at 75 mph

Ooooops ....shoulda' asked .....what gear and tire height?

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 02:48 AM

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By the way I have a J conv in my Rampage and with
OD I havent had a temp problem... thats with 9%
slippage in OD... but I have only run a few 150 mile runs
so far as my long distance runs.. about 600 miles
in the city.... that J stalls at 5000 in my ride..
I only have a Hayden and no radiator cooler

9% slip ....with how much OD and at what speed ?

.69 at 75 mph

Ooooops ....shoulda' asked .....what gear and tire height?

Thats with a 295/55-15 with a 4.10 gear

Posted By: racerAL

Re: trans cooler preference - 03/28/15 03:55 AM

ive been shopping them for a week. I think ive decided to go with this kit from Derale.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Derale/259/12730K/10002/-1

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