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carbs and the season. #1708537
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I finally got my 1050 dom running perfect this summer,but now that winter is here and the air has changed it seems to be running pig rich(according to my afr guage).is that a coincidence or am I having carb or tune problems?this a street mostly car but does get to the strip at every chance.

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well you should have the exact opposite problem now that the air is better. learn to give the motor what it wants and don't rely totally on your afr. if it still sounds and runs good don't worry about it. thats my opinion.

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That`s backwards as stated. What`s the idle, cruise and wfo #`s. What`s the bleed layout?


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well you should have the exact opposite problem now that the air is better. learn to give the motor what it wants and don't rely totally on your afr. if it still sounds and runs good don't worry about it. thats my opinion.




What Tony said... in the cool weather the carb tends
to lean out due to the temps... so for yours to
be going fat is strange or your getting a bogus AFR
reading... as said.. what does the engine tell you
and the plugs

Re: carbs and the season. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1708541
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well you should have the exact opposite problem now that the air is better. learn to give the motor what it wants and don't rely totally on your afr. if it still sounds and runs good don't worry about it. thats my opinion.




What Tony said... in the cool weather the carb tends
to lean out due to the temps... so for yours to
be going fat is strange or your getting a bogus AFR
reading... as said.. what does the engine tell you
and the plugs



I agree should be the opposite of what it is.its hard to get a reading on the plugs with in town driving.i guess ill just keep drivin it and see if the plugs foul out.it seems to run fine and I don't smell gas in the exaust.just seems weird that my cruise went from low 14,s to low twelves,assuming that this guage and sensor is working.plus it wants to run on a couple of licks every time I shut it off.

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Running on is hell on a motor. Maybe shut it down in gear to stop it as a bandaid.

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Running on is hell on a motor. Maybe shut it down in gear to stop it as a bandaid.


it don't sound good that's for sure.its not like its diesiling it just cough,s thru the card a couple of licks like theres to much gas in the cylenders.

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well you should have the exact opposite problem now that the air is better. learn to give the motor what it wants and don't rely totally on your afr. if it still sounds and runs good don't worry about it. thats my opinion.




What Tony said... in the cool weather the carb tends
to lean out due to the temps... so for yours to
be going fat is strange or your getting a bogus AFR
reading... as said.. what does the engine tell you
and the plugs



I agree should be the opposite of what it is.its hard to get a reading on the plugs with in town driving.i guess ill just keep drivin it and see if the plugs foul out.it seems to run fine and I don't smell gas in the exaust.just seems weird that my cruise went from low 14,s to low twelves,assuming that this guage and sensor is working.plus it wants to run on a couple of licks every time I shut it off.




Run on is a sign of being fat on the idle.. assuming
that the engine isnt still decelling.. but if your
at idle for a few seconds then its fat

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Running on is hell on a motor. Maybe shut it down in gear to stop it as a bandaid.


it don't sound good that's for sure.its not like its diesiling it just cough,s thru the card a couple of licks like theres to much gas in the cylenders.





Float level maybe too high? Bleeds.............idle and hi speed.............what r they.


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Re: carbs and the season. [Re: bonefish] #1708546
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Not saying this "is" the case but I have found when something changes for no apparent reason like your describing I tend to look for a partially blocked air bleed first. Then dig into the carb making sure the power valve (s) and or block off's are tight.

Gaskets can and will cause the same issues your describing. Metering block gaskets can cross feed circuits and power valve gaskets can take a set causing torque loss adding unwanted fuel to the power enrichment circuit.

If you need new gaskets just ask around here on the board who has the best

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Running on is hell on a motor. Maybe shut it down in gear to stop it as a bandaid.


it don't sound good that's for sure.its not like its diesiling it just cough,s thru the card a couple of licks like theres to much gas in the cylenders.





Float level maybe too high? Bleeds.............idle and hi speed.............what r they.


ive had the float level up and down.dont know the bleed sizes of hand but I havnt changed anything. it seems like there may be an internal leak some where but everything seems ok in the carb.im gunna take it off and readjust everything on the bench and start over with my adjustments and see what happens.

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Post pics cos I`m sure we can help ya easier plus I`d like to see the body,idle hi speed bleeds and blocks(both sides)to see what`s up w/the tune also..........


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Post pics cos I`m sure we can help ya easier plus I`d like to see the body,idle hi speed bleeds and blocks(both sides)to see what`s up w/the tune also..........


ill see if I can take some pics for ya.Jesse built this carb for me.he converted my 8896 to a two circuit and all I had to do was adjust my idle a little bit and it was perfect.ive been runnin for 1,200 miles then suddenly something changed.

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Make sure you don't have a float that is soaking fuel. Pull off the bowls and use a caliper to adjust float level, with the bowl upside down try .425 between the top of the float and bowl. See if you can set the idle speed a little lower, and try turning the idle mixture screws out an 1/8 to 1/4 turn. If it's lean the cylinders may be getting a tad hotter, making hot spots to have the engine run on after the ignition is off.

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I`d be curious to see if/how your idling on the t-slots and as Greg stated, the bleeds can/will get dirty and throw the idle off.


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you need to make sure your timing is right before you go changing the carb settings

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He said he changed nothing but it doesn`t hurt to check..........


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Check the terminals inside the cap & rotor too.

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First thing I would try is pull the carb, blast the heck out of the air bleeds venturies... with a big can of carb cleaner, re-install and see if that helps. I have seen where "these bleeds" get a light coat of build up dried fuel additive and a slight restriction that richens it up.


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Not saying this "is" the case but I have found when something changes for no apparent reason like your describing I tend to look for a partially blocked air bleed first. Then dig into the carb making sure the power valve (s) and or block off's are tight.

Gaskets can and will cause the same issues your describing. Metering block gaskets can cross feed circuits and power valve gaskets can take a set causing torque loss adding unwanted fuel to the power enrichment circuit.

If you need new gaskets just ask around here on the board who has the best




I'm with Greg on this. Shoot some carb cleaner in the air bleeds and adjust the idle screws.

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