Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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11/30/14 02:58 PM
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EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust
Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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11/30/14 03:03 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS.........forget the damn 40 year old charts..........LOL!!!
Monte
Thanks, it is WAY easier that way.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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11/30/14 03:12 PM
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I got this response from a guy at Comp Cams that many would know, the question also covered setting valves with an aluminum head:
Do the cold valve lash settings .006”-.008” TIGHTER than the spec card says. When the motor gets hot, the heads grow and opens up the lash.
Don’t use that chart. Do it like this: Look at one cylinder…rotate the motor by hand….set intake lash when exhaust rocker starts to move. Continue to rotate and set the exhaust when the intake rocker goes all the way down and is about ¾ of the way back up. You can do anything from your Chrysler to a Subaru to Ferrari that way and always be right.
I was at the national event in Columbus one year with a very famous Chrysler Super Stock racer (to remain un-named) and was sitting on his trailer door shooting the breeze as he was running the valves before dinner. I watched as he did the Chrysler chart thing. When he was done, we ran through them again using the approved method I listed above. Some of the settings were .004”-.006” different. The next morning he went about .03 faster than the prediction. The ones in error made the settings too loose and not only lost performance, but if the desired settings were on the loose side anyway, for performance, the risk was there to fail a valve or lifter by making too severe.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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11/30/14 04:35 PM
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As mentioned forget the charts,set the intake as soon as the exhust starts to open and set the exhaust when the intake is 1/2+ closing.As far as cold setting listen to Monte,it depends on if its iron or aluminium componants or a combination of both and the operating temperture.Generally for a first time cold startup with an iron block/aluminium head combo set the cold setting .004 tighter,all iron componants,.002 tighter,aluminium block/aluminium heads .010/.015 tighter but always leave at least .005 clearence.Warm the engine to operating temperture and set to specs,let it cool and check the clearence,this will be your cold setting.Listen to Monte.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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11/30/14 04:36 PM
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EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust
Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.
only way to do it right
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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11/30/14 06:20 PM
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EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust
Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.
....but it requires an attention span! I'm guilty.... been a chart guy all my mechanical cam lash adjusting life.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: J_BODY]
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11/30/14 07:51 PM
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Don't forget to mark the ones that are done with a sharpie.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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11/30/14 09:22 PM
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EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust
Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.
and quicker if you use the firing order...... set all the intakes 1 then 8 then 4-3............. set all the exhaust 1 then 8 then 4-3............. a lot less cranking this way
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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11/30/14 10:03 PM
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forget the damn 40 year old charts..........LOL!!!
Monte
The laws of physics have changed in the last 40 years?
No, but cam shaft profiles have changed alot since then, almost every body was using LSA numbers in the 108 range. I checked the chart years ago using the "OLD" tried and true 750 crane roller with 108 LSA and the chart would have been fine. Started messing around with some comp eliminator stuff and the chart went into the trash can - lol.
Like stated prior, stick with the IC, EO method and you can't go wrong.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: Jerry Kathe]
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11/30/14 10:30 PM
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But, IF one has the lobes that work with the chart, why not use the chart...it is easier and faster.
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Re: valve adjustment what's better
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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11/30/14 10:37 PM
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But, IF one has the lobes that work with the chart, why not use the chart...it is easier and faster.
Agreed, keep in mind, alot of reinventing the wheel goes on around here, filter through the comments carefully -
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