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valve adjustment what's better #1704913
11/30/14 02:55 PM
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So I'm getting ready to adjust my valves w/ my new Smith Bros adjusters.. I have been using the adjuster intake when Ex opens and adjust ex when intake starts to shut method. BUT I have it at TDC and could use the mopar method adjust, turn 1/4 adjust turn 1/4... It's a 588 solid roller w/ stage VI heads if it matters....


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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1704914
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EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake
ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust

Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.


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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Al_Alguire] #1704915
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS.........forget the damn 40 year old charts..........LOL!!!

Monte

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Monte_Smith] #1704916
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Quote:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS.........forget the damn 40 year old charts..........LOL!!!

Monte




Thanks, it is WAY easier that way.

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1704917
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I got this response from a guy at Comp Cams that many would know, the question also covered setting valves with an aluminum head:

Do the cold valve lash settings .006”-.008” TIGHTER than the spec card says. When the motor gets hot, the heads grow and opens up the lash.

Don’t use that chart. Do it like this: Look at one cylinder…rotate the motor by hand….set intake lash when exhaust rocker starts to move. Continue to rotate and set the exhaust when the intake rocker goes all the way down and is about ¾ of the way back up. You can do anything from your Chrysler to a Subaru to Ferrari that way and always be right.

I was at the national event in Columbus one year with a very famous Chrysler Super Stock racer (to remain un-named) and was sitting on his trailer door shooting the breeze as he was running the valves before dinner. I watched as he did the Chrysler chart thing. When he was done, we ran through them again using the approved method I listed above. Some of the settings were .004”-.006” different. The next morning he went about .03 faster than the prediction. The ones in error made the settings too loose and not only lost performance, but if the desired settings were on the loose side anyway, for performance, the risk was there to fail a valve or lifter by making too severe.

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: 340Cuda] #1704918
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You really never know what your cold to hot numbers will be....UNTIL YOU CHECK IT. So on a new install or ANY install for that matter, if you want to lash them .008-.010 tight, that's fine. But after that, warm the motor to the temp where you intend to run it and then lash them HOT. Now when it cools off, check them and see how tight they are. THIS is your cold number and you will never have to lash hot valves again.

A motors block and head configurations vary as to how much stuff grows. We race our all aluminum motor at around 100* of water temp. To have the lash at .024 at 100*, I have to lash them at .011 cold. When we get back from a run and it has heat soaked on the tow back to the 150* range, the valves will be at .030...........SO, CHECK IT WHERE YOU RUN IT temp wise.

Monte

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Monte_Smith] #1704919
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As mentioned forget the charts,set the intake as soon as the exhust starts to open and set the exhaust when the intake is 1/2+ closing.As far as cold setting listen to Monte,it depends on if its iron or aluminium componants or a combination of both and the operating temperture.Generally for a first time cold startup with an iron block/aluminium head combo set the cold setting .004 tighter,all iron componants,.002 tighter,aluminium block/aluminium heads .010/.015 tighter but always leave at least .005 clearence.Warm the engine to operating temperture and set to specs,let it cool and check the clearence,this will be your cold setting.Listen to Monte.

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Al_Alguire] #1704920
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EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake
ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust

Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.


only way to do it right

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Al_Alguire] #1704921
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Quote:

EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake
ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust

Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.




....but it requires an attention span! I'm guilty.... been a chart guy all my mechanical cam lash adjusting life.

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: J_BODY] #1704922
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Don't forget to mark the ones that are done with a sharpie.


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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Savoy1964] #1704923
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Don't forget to mark the ones that are done with a sharpie.




I loosen ALL the nuts when I start that way when I make my final check if I find a loose nut then I know I missed one. I been doing it this way for over 30 years working on Imports in flat rate shops so it's automatic for me and I don't have to think about it.When you do 16 valves on one head as fast as you can you think of creative ways to save time and improve accuracy
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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Al_Alguire] #1704924
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Quote:

EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake
ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust

Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.




and quicker if you use the firing order......
set all the intakes 1 then 8 then 4-3.............
set all the exhaust 1 then 8 then 4-3.............
a lot less cranking this way

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Monte_Smith] #1704925
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forget the damn 40 year old charts..........LOL!!!

Monte




The laws of physics have changed in the last 40 years?


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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: John_Kunkel] #1704926
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Quote:

forget the damn 40 year old charts..........LOL!!!

Monte




The laws of physics have changed in the last 40 years?




No, but cam shaft profiles have changed alot since then, almost every body was using LSA numbers in the 108 range. I checked the chart years ago using the "OLD" tried and true 750 crane roller with 108 LSA and the chart would have been fine. Started messing around with some comp eliminator stuff and the chart went into the trash can - lol.

Like stated prior, stick with the IC, EO method and you can't go wrong.

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Jerry Kathe] #1704927
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But, IF one has the lobes that work with the chart, why not use the chart...it is easier and faster.


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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: John_Kunkel] #1704928
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But, IF one has the lobes that work with the chart, why not use the chart...it is easier and faster.




Agreed, keep in mind, alot of reinventing the wheel goes on around here, filter through the comments carefully -

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Jerry Kathe] #1704929
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I`ve always set the in. when the ex. just starts to open and the ex. when the in. fully openes then just starts to close. I`ve measured every inch of my lobe and this is the loosest point on the lobe. Some have stated it`s from shaft flex etc. but I don`t buy it.


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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: AAR-B4] #1704930
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Quote:

Quote:

EOI Exhaust opening adjust Intake
ICE Intake closing adjust Exhaust

Works on EVERYTHING, much simpler way to do it as well.




and quicker if you use the firing order......
set all the intakes 1 then 8 then 4-3.............
set all the exhaust 1 then 8 then 4-3.............
a lot less cranking this way





I do mine straight across the firing order...EOIC


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Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Eric] #1704931
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I've always used the MP 1/4 turn method, 1 revolution and I'm done.

Re: valve adjustment what's better [Re: Savoy1964] #1704932
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Don't forget to mark the ones that are done with a sharpie.


I always start at the front of the motor, left or right side doesn't matter. I take that valve cover off and bump the starter over until the front exhaust valve opens and set the intake lash, bump the starter over until the intake valve opens all the way and starts to close and set the exhaust lash. Go to the second set of valves and work my way to the back of the head , one at a time, front to back and then button that side up and do the other side the same way On the drivers side you can do the #5 intake valve first and then do the #7 intake valve second and then do the #5 exhaust and finish with the #7 exhaust valve, there just 90 degrees apart in firing so why not take advantage of that I haven't figure out how to do any other valves like that yet

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