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new oil system or rack and pinion #1642615 07/05/14 11:41 PM 07/05/14 11:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area B blindboyscuda OP member
blindboyscuda OP member B Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area	ok so I want to get rid of the extremely high ride height. i currently have the 10 quart miladon oil pan with the swinging pick upand i have had to use the torsion bars to make the ride height high enough so that the oil pan doesn't drag. the engine is making 600 hp so is the swinging pick up needed or can i go back to a static pick up and use a different oil pan? if the swinging pick up is preferred or suggested then i am goingn to switch to rack and pinion. so what would you suggest a new oil system or go to rack and pinion?

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642616 07/05/14 11:49 PM 07/05/14 11:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	get a pan with wings so it still maintains the amount of oil you want but don't hang too low. or make your own like I did. 8198955-30-07-10_13321.jpg (175 downloads)

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642617 07/05/14 11:52 PM 07/05/14 11:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Both... the oil pan is a little cut and weld... I am right at 600hp (SB) and I use the static pick up

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1642618 07/06/14 11:51 PM 07/06/14 11:51 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area B blindboyscuda OP member
blindboyscuda OP member B Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area	Quote: Both... the oil pan is a little cut and weld... I am right at 600hp (SB) and I use the static pick up is there a rule of thumb for static pick ups and how much hp they can support? when I built the engine I did not drill it for 1/2", so it is stock. what oil system would support 600 hp and at what point should a swinging pick up be used along with higher pressure and volume oil pump?

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642619 07/07/14 12:00 AM 07/07/14 12:00 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Both... the oil pan is a little cut and weld... I am right at 600hp (SB) and I use the static pick up is there a rule of thumb for static pick ups and how much hp they can support? when I built the engine I did not drill it for 1/2", so it is stock. what oil system would support 600 hp and at what point should a swinging pick up be used along with higher pressure and volume oil pump? Sounds like your talking BB but I know plenty of guys that make 600+ hp on the stock pick up... a 3/8" hole can supply a lot of oil under pressure

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1642620 07/07/14 12:39 AM 07/07/14 12:39 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area B blindboyscuda OP member
blindboyscuda OP member B Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area	Quote: Quote: Quote: Both... the oil pan is a little cut and weld... I am right at 600hp (SB) and I use the static pick up is there a rule of thumb for static pick ups and how much hp they can support? when I built the engine I did not drill it for 1/2", so it is stock. what oil system would support 600 hp and at what point should a swinging pick up be used along with higher pressure and volume oil pump? Sounds like your talking BB but I know plenty of guys that make 600+ hp on the stock pick up... a 3/8" hole can supply a lot of oil under pressure yup BB. is there a reason why I shouldn't use the stock oiling system? probably going to be doing upgrades soon like a roller cam and tunnel ram so the hp might be around 650 soon.

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642621 07/07/14 12:45 AM 07/07/14 12:45 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Both... the oil pan is a little cut and weld... I am right at 600hp (SB) and I use the static pick up is there a rule of thumb for static pick ups and how much hp they can support? when I built the engine I did not drill it for 1/2", so it is stock. what oil system would support 600 hp and at what point should a swinging pick up be used along with higher pressure and volume oil pump? Sounds like your talking BB but I know plenty of guys that make 600+ hp on the stock pick up... a 3/8" hole can supply a lot of oil under pressure yup BB. is there a reason why I shouldn't use the stock oiling system? probably going to be doing upgrades soon like a roller cam and tunnel ram so the hp might be around 650 soon. JMO.. but if your planning more rpm then I would drill the stock set up to 1/2".. you just need to be careful when doing it

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1642622 07/07/14 03:31 AM 07/07/14 03:31 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	plug the stock pickup hole & go with an external static pickup & pump cover like my earlier pic. excuse the metric sizing but that's what we have down here, 1/2" stock pickup is only 12mm dia, the single static pickup is 16mm dia, that's 25% larger plus there's no sharp 90* turns inside the block restricting the oil flow. I'm using this single static pickup on a 750HP engine & my bearings(clevites. not speedpro) look almost good enough to reuse again @ engine freshening time.

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: rebel] #1642623 07/07/14 04:02 AM 07/07/14 04:02 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada	What's the little valve in the top of the pan?

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: Stanton] #1642624 07/07/14 05:17 AM 07/07/14 05:17 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	oil temp sender for the guage

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642625 07/07/14 01:40 PM 07/07/14 01:40 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Sounds like your talking BB but I know plenty of guys that make 600+ hp on the stock pick up... a 3/8" hole can supply a lot of oil under pressure yup BB. is there a reason why I shouldn't use the stock oiling system? probably going to be doing upgrades soon like a roller cam and tunnel ram so the hp might be around 650 soon. MrP is dead on, my pump gas Duster motor, 518 C.I. low deck with a roller cam, made 727 HP at 5600 RPM the last time it was on the DTS engine dyno in Klamath Falls, OR(4300+ ft elevation ) I used the Speed Pro, Federal Mogul narrow full groove main bearings(pt # 4094M, I think) and the same brand rod bearings, BB Chevy rods size though Both mains and rods had more than .0032 clearances, I used a high volume oil pump and cut the bypass spring down so the motor had 65 lbs pressure at or above 5000 RPM with hot oil, I used 5W20 Wt Valvoline non synthetic . I bought and used a stock Mopar replacement oil pan, (6 quarts ) 1970-71 440 6Pak and 426 Street Hemi B and E body with the stock 3/8 440 6 Pak pickup and a stock Mopar windage tray I do make my own crankshaft scrapers to help keep the oil in the pan instead of being whupped up into a froth around the crankshaft at high RPM Lots of solutions out there IHTHs Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642626 07/07/14 03:45 PM 07/07/14 03:45 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 370 Real North Cal. 6 66er enthusiast
66er enthusiast 6 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 370 Real North Cal.	I think it has more to do with RPMS Than HP. A single line can support up to 7000 RMPs anything over that need a double line(one on each side of the pumps stator). The swinging pick up is installed to accommodate the style of pan that you are using ie: large rear sump or dragster style). I've used a center sump with a static single line for 8 year now. I have about 650-700 hp and shift at 6700 RPMs.

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: 66er] #1642627 07/07/14 11:21 PM 07/07/14 11:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	I would shift my Duster stroker motor between 7000 and 7300 in each gear, lots of laps that way with no oiling issues Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: 66er] #1642628 07/07/14 11:36 PM 07/07/14 11:36 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I think it has more to do with RPMS Than HP. A single line can support up to 7000 RMPs anything over that need a double line(one on each side of the pumps stator). The swinging pick up is installed to accommodate the style of pan that you are using ie: large rear sump or dragster style). I've used a center sump with a static single line for 8 year now. I have about 650-700 hp and shift at 6700 RPMs. I was running 8200 on the stock 3/8 pick up with a little blending on the pump housing.. that was with .003/.003 clearances on the mains and rods in a SB

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1642629 07/08/14 12:12 AM 07/08/14 12:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,996 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,996 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	I have may runs going through the traps with a single pickup deal at 7800 rpm. 528 stroker. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: gregsdart] #1642630 07/08/14 02:43 PM 07/08/14 02:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 370 Real North Cal. 6 66er enthusiast
66er enthusiast 6 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 370 Real North Cal.	Quote: I have may runs going through the traps with a single pickup deal at 7800 rpm. 528 stroker. Sound like a double line pickup is overkill for most applications. As long as the pressure stays up where it should be, everything is a-ok. I think the to line systems stand a better chance of losing prime anyway. You could also use a swinging pickup with just one line instead of two.

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1642631 07/08/14 02:51 PM 07/08/14 02:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 370 Real North Cal. 6 66er enthusiast
66er enthusiast 6 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 370 Real North Cal.	Quote: Quote: I think it has more to do with RPMS Than HP. A single line can support up to 7000 RMPs anything over that need a double line(one on each side of the pumps stator). The swinging pick up is installed to accommodate the style of pan that you are using ie: large rear sump or dragster style). I've used a center sump with a static single line for 8 year now. I have about 650-700 hp and shift at 6700 RPMs. I was running 8200 on the stock 3/8 pick up with a little blending on the pump housing.. that was with .003/.003 clearances on the mains and rods in a SB A small block oil system is a little different than a big block. The pump is way closer to the oil level in the pan. The stock style pickup is way shorter and doesn't have to make a transition though the casting of the block. The extertal -12 pickup hose may be overkill but it let's me sleep a little easier. Last edited by 66er; 07/08/14 07:43 PM.

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642632 07/08/14 03:01 PM 07/08/14 03:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Both... the oil pan is a little cut and weld... I am right at 600hp (SB) and I use the static pick up is there a rule of thumb for static pick ups and how much hp they can support? when I built the engine I did not drill it for 1/2", so it is stock. what oil system would support 600 hp and at what point should a swinging pick up be used along with higher pressure and volume oil pump? Sounds like your talking BB but I know plenty of guys that make 600+ hp on the stock pick up... a 3/8" hole can supply a lot of oil under pressure yup BB. is there a reason why I shouldn't use the stock oiling system? probably going to be doing upgrades soon like a roller cam and tunnel ram so the hp might be around 650 soon. Been running a stock but 1/2" internal pick up for almost 14 years and no issues at all even above 7000 rpm`s and that`s w/6-7 quarts in an 8-quart pan. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: rebel] #1642633 07/12/14 07:30 PM 07/12/14 07:30 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area B blindboyscuda OP member
blindboyscuda OP member B Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 45 Fremont, California Bay area	ya its about 500 cubes and is only spinning around 6k max. it has 2.20 chevy rods and has good oil pressure with a single external line with a swinging pick up using brad penn 10 40. the oil pan is just huge. it is 10 quarts of oil and I have to worry about going over speed bumps everytime because it might drag. the rack and pinion would give me more oil pan options because the drag link would not be in the way, so that is why I wanted r/p.

Re: new oil system or rack and pinion [Re: blindboyscuda] #1642634 07/12/14 09:27 PM 07/12/14 09:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	It would be Much easier to change the pan out then convert to a R/P and do Both.

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