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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: RUNCHARGER]
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I couldn't buy a new 70 Challenger but I'm going to live the experience 44 years later.
Bullseye...
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: RSNOMO]
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06/11/14 03:21 PM
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I couldn't buy a new 70 Challenger but I'm going to live the experience 44 years later.
Bullseye...
Alright, another case of E-Body envy solved. 
All the rest of you, were coming ta getcha. 
Soon we will take over the world. 
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Kidsixpack]
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06/11/14 03:26 PM
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I remember in 1986 the first car (70 six pack bee) that I saw that was being put back to stock. The owner removed the headers, mags etc and was putting the original emission decals and little parts back to stock. At the time I thought this was the coolest idea I'd ever heard. I've been a purest ever since.
KID
I was swapping out headers, Mr. Gasket air cleaners, air shocks, extended shackles and pitted Cragars for stock stuff in the early 1980's....been at it ever since.
Dave
1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
1974 'Cuda
2008 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Ram 3500 Diesel
2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel
2003 Ram 3500 Diesel
2006 Durango Limited
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: RSNOMO]
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06/11/14 03:32 PM
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I couldn't buy a new A, B, and yeah, even an E-body in '71 but I'm going to live the experience 43 years later.
Bullseye...
LMAO...
OK, Swapper...
I clarified a little...
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Kidsixpack]
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06/11/14 04:09 PM
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I love to look over OE restored cars. I appreciate the effort and patience and money that goes into doing a restoration like that. I was too little tto remember the cars of teh late 60s and early 70s when they were new, so this gives me a chance to see what they were like.
For my own cars, I try to get as close to OE as possible. I will buy NOS if I can afford it, and will take the time to repair and clean up original parts. But, I don't go crazy with the over spray and inspection marks. I tend to over restore if it means that painting an original unpainted part prevents future corrosion.
68 Road Runner (383/4speed, post car w/decor pkg) - Major Project
69 Road Runner w/472 Hemi & 4 speed.
70 Challenger R/T SE EF8 w/ V9J, U - A32 - Major Project
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: flypaper]
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06/11/14 07:42 PM
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it seems alot of people are in denial! 
when it comes time to pin a value on a car to buy or sell,
i think its something that everyone here cares about!
Not really, when I bought my 71 Cuda 34,000 original miles, the owner (original) flaunted every virtue of the car's originality, all the paper work, window sticker, and how he strived to keep it original over the decades, having it repainted in the original color, and in a single stage finish as original, yada, yada, yada, it came down to I just wanted a nice clean 71 Cuda, with a perfect grill, I bottom lined the guy with my price I thought the car was worth, about 40% less than he was asking, as I made it clear the car was going to be cloned into a HEMICUDA, and all the original "stuff" meant nothing to me...after a few months he called, said come get the car, as soon as it was home, it was boned out for a resto incorporating the usual shaker hood, rubber bumpers, rear window louvers, ralleys, gull wing, billboards, driveline transplant, etc, etc, etc, all the "original stuff" went in the trash, or sold off, some of the paper work went in the trash, the owners manual was sold off along with all the Chrysler dealer literature....
So some of us place different "values" on these machines, I look at them as the sum of their parts, numbers, originality, historical value mean nothing to me, they're just machines
Mike
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: 383man]
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06/12/14 12:09 AM
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I have an A12 that I'm trying to do a very accurate restoration on. Kind of side tracked right now....but anyways, I love the OE, "dip gray" look and the tags, markings, etc. But since completing sub assemblies, markings, documentation, etc.. At this point in my life and just turning 40, I'd prefer my next mopar to be a 340 4spd and hop in and drive it without so much worry of "perfection". I've even considered turning my 71 numbers matching GTX into a "day two" with a 6-pack and 5spd conversion and enjoying the da mn thing. It does me, nor the car any good to just sit in a garage or car show and just stair at it. Some bragging rights of having a blue chip car, yea...but in the end, it just sits there and looks pretty. And they are really just too expensive for my type of income.
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: cdp]
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06/12/14 09:16 AM
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Do I like looking and cking out all the little details on an OE level car? yes.
Do I want them all at an OE level? no.
Myself I used to want something close,,but not anymore. I want them correct to the average looker, but I will have stuff powder coated and painted to prevent rust. I want to drive my cars and so far all my customers do as well. None of them even own a trailer.
I have a 1970 Challenger Rt/SE in now. 440 sixpack 4 spd, 4-10 Dana car. Owner was in last night and his intention from the word go is drive the snot out of it,,4.10's and all.
First trip,,,the Mopar nats
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: gtx6970]
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06/12/14 09:28 AM
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I have a 1970 Challenger Rt/SE in now. 440 sixpack 4 spd, 4-10 Dana car. Owner was in last night and his intention from the word go is drive the snot out of it,,4.10's and all.
First trip,,,the Mopar nats
I'll be curious how long that will last... Been there, done that....... You'll be installing a GV in it soon. 
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: LimeliteAero]
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06/12/14 12:18 PM
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340challconvert,
Why not sell off some-most-all of those NOS parts and fund the restoration?
Good thought! I actually did recently sell off some the extras and purchased some parts I was missing in reproduction form. I wish I had been smart enough to stock away a larger number of NOS parts, but I really only purchased what I thought I would need for the one car. If I had done that, I would be a wealthy man today. I am in the process of kind of assessing my car's condition to determine what I will need in order to put it back on the road. Everything has to be put into perspective. I have two NOS fenders for the car with the original receipts. I paid about 199.00 for each fender (mechanics net) back in 1979-80. Making about 8000 a year at the time, the 400 bucks for the two fenders really hurt. At the time, it seemed like the "parts party" would last forever, never envisioning what would happen to the value of our cars.
There was, believe it or not, a Chrysler Parts hot line at the time, a phone number you could call with a mopar part number, and they would do a search of national dealerships to see if they had the part lying around. You would contact the dealer directly, purchase the part and have it shipped. Imagine an NOS challenger tail light bezel in the original box for 19.95, or new challenger grill for 157.00. When the parts starting going NS1, I picked up clean used versions because the cars were plentiful in the salvage yards. It was a great time to be a mopar owner and it was a lot of fun combing through the junk yards looking for parts.
But remember, they were still just cars to have fun with and the first car collector bubble was still about 10 years away!
We are lucky today in the fact that they finally started reproducing many parts, even though we pay through the nose for them. (And hope that the repros fit properly)
I can appreciate the work and time people put into their cars to be totally restored: they have beautiful machines and hopefully the money to support their endeavors. I want enjoy my car for what it is. Even in un-restored condition, it still amazes me how much attention they attract!
Enjoy the Mopar Journey!
1970 A-66 340 Challenger convertible
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: 44D6PAKCUDA]
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06/12/14 12:58 PM
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Just a question for the day.Does anybody really get into,or care about restoring a car 100% OE correct or is "close" good enough? On one hand,if somebody mentions about ponying up some huge bucks for a NOS/OE part you always get some comments about who cares and should have just bought a repop part.Yet when someone post about the value of a car,many are quick to mention and point out everything the is "incorrect" about the car.I've never watched the juding at the Nats for OE,but just wonder if there are still a lot of people doing this or are they just not posting anything here.Or being NOS parts and fewer and fewer each year,is the end of this type of restoration over?
its cool that is what some guys are into. if they want to make their car 100% or even close who am i say they are wrong. if thats what they want then i say go for it.
that being said. me personally don't care for it. when at say carlisle i avoid the stock area of all the models unless i have to walk through that area for a reason. stock just bores me. but hey its just not my thing. different strokes man.
It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. www.MoparMisfits.com
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: abodyjoe]
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06/12/14 02:10 PM
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Let me flip the question around a little bit. If you find a 70 Hemi Cuda hardtop for sale. Let's say it's not numbers matching, but has date coded engine. Shaker car, 4spd, Super Trak pak. Let's say it's Hemi Orange with Black hockey stick and vinyl top. Ralley cluster. This is just to get an image in your mind. High end external paint and bodywork.
So, said car is riding on modern aftermarket wheels. Say Weld 5 spokes, but build sheet says it's a Ralley wheel car. Hemi has late model edelbrock carbs with individual aircleaners, aftermarket intake, Headers, with x pipe and flow masters. Big cam, aluminum water pump, aftermarket valve covers, aluminum race radiator with flex fan. Inside it has incorrectly covered seat covers, am/fm Pioneer radio in dash with big speakers in the rear. Let's say it's all in all a fresh car with nicely done work, although not "restoration" correct. Owner wants $250K because that's what Hemi Cuda's are selling for.
Assuming you have the cash, would you pay $250K for a non OE restored Hemi Cuda? Assuming you don't want a OE restored car, just a hot rod. Is a hot rod worth $250K just because there is an "R" in the VIN? If the guy did quality work, and it's not gawdy, more of a day 2 looking car, does it kill the value? Or is it just different, but of the same value? This is where it gets sticky.
I like both OE cars and hot rods, but for different reasons. When you ask does anybody care, it becomes the infamous "it depends" answer. As a buyer/owner if you want a stock restored car, then you want a stock restored car. If you don't, you don't. But, when it comes to buying or selling a car that isn't stock restored (not necessarily OE)the value is impacted by how far off you get from stock and how well the work is done both tastefully and technically. That doesn't mean you can't get strong money. You have to know your market and what people in that market want. Ok, I've blathered on enough for now.
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: hemi68charger]
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06/12/14 02:32 PM
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I'll be curious how long that will last... Been there, done that....... You'll be installing a GV in it soon.
Troy,
I seriously doubt that,, he has a 1970 Hemi Cuda ( real car ) , auto with 4.10's he drives on a regular basis. So I don't see this one will being treated any differently.
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Dixie]
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06/12/14 02:36 PM
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As with anything, it is all about the person who owns the vehicle. I built my car for me. I like to look at the OE restored cars, and modified, but I like to drive my car.
I tried to remain true to OE on my Sport Satellite, but added the auto dimming rearview mirror with temp/compass and homelink, hidden stereo with ipod and satellite radio, and the remote lock/unlock and remote trunk lock (5th avenue electric trunk release - fits perfect, with button in glove compartment too)and cloth insert in seats. It makes the car so much more "modern" to drive, along with factory a/c, cruise control, disc brake conversion up front, tubular upper control arms and Firm feel III box.
The car looks OE, but certainly has a better/more comfy feel than the OE car. I am enjoying it, and if others can appreciate it, that is great too !
In the end, different strokes for different folks . . . you have to decide what you want, then do it.
Just my two cents worth . . .
Cheers,
Mark
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Dixie]
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06/12/14 03:03 PM
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Let me flip the question around a little bit. If you find a 70 Hemi Cuda hardtop for sale. Let's say it's not numbers matching, but has date coded engine. Shaker car, 4spd, Super Trak pak. Let's say it's Hemi Orange with Black hockey stick and vinyl top. Ralley cluster. This is just to get an image in your mind. High end external paint and bodywork.
So, said car is riding on modern aftermarket wheels. Say Weld 5 spokes, but build sheet says it's a Ralley wheel car. Hemi has late model edelbrock carbs with individual aircleaners, aftermarket intake, Headers, with x pipe and flow masters. Big cam, aluminum water pump, aftermarket valve covers, aluminum race radiator with flex fan. Inside it has incorrectly covered seat covers, am/fm Pioneer radio in dash with big speakers in the rear. Let's say it's all in all a fresh car with nicely done work, although not "restoration" correct. Owner wants $250K because that's what Hemi Cuda's are selling for.
Assuming you have the cash, would you pay $250K for a non OE restored Hemi Cuda? Assuming you don't want a OE restored car, just a hot rod. Is a hot rod worth $250K just because there is an "R" in the VIN? If the guy did quality work, and it's not gawdy, more of a day 2 looking car, does it kill the value? Or is it just different, but of the same value? This is where it gets sticky.
I like both OE cars and hot rods, but for different reasons. When you ask does anybody care, it becomes the infamous "it depends" answer. As a buyer/owner if you want a stock restored car, then you want a stock restored car. If you don't, you don't. But, when it comes to buying or selling a car that isn't stock restored (not necessarily OE)the value is impacted by how far off you get from stock and how well the work is done both tastefully and technically. That doesn't mean you can't get strong money. You have to know your market and what people in that market want. Ok, I've blathered on enough for now.
That's a lot of money......... even in yesterday's market..... That's just me of course........
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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