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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: DPelletier]
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06/09/14 04:46 PM
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O.E. meaning the ultra high end, date code and paint drip restos? I like them and appreciate them but couldn't justify date coded NOS shocks and exhaust for my car...especially since I built it to run.
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I call those:
A great car for someone else to own!
You buy/restore it...and I'll come over and look at it. 
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: autoxcuda]
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06/09/14 07:39 PM
06/09/14 07:39 PM
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I wouldn't want to see them all the same. Meaning not every car OE, modified, day 2, etc... but I like to see many different styles. Even when I build cars, I do them just about any way. I even appreciate a car that's in primer 
68 Road Runner, 69 Belvedere, 71 Challenger Vert
340 barracuda, 01 Ram CTD, 95 Ram, 04 Ram, 85 Daytona turbo Z
66 GTO, 06 Magnum RT AWD. 07 Ram CTD, 07 Ram
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Stanton]
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06/09/14 10:10 PM
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4) very few other people.
Frankly, if you've seen one you've seen them all.
I'd counter that...
I saw enough rags when we were young, and most of us couldn't afford anything pristine...
And I'd also counter that no two OEM jobs are 'the same'...
Just like at the factory, no two are alike...
Different nuances, different techniques, different interpretations...
Let's face it, the clock ticks...
Each one of these cars that gets returned to OEM is one more that history will remember...
Just like they rolled off the line...
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: RSNOMO]
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06/09/14 11:27 PM
06/09/14 11:27 PM
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And I'd also counter that no two OEM jobs are 'the same'...
Just like at the factory, no two are alike...
So what !!! And since no two are alike, how do you know what's right and what's wrong. Personally, I don't care. You either have a nice car or you don't. A 100% correct 67 Chrysler Newport just doesn't excite me. A tubbed out, blown Newport ... yeah, I'll look that over !!!
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: ademon]
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06/10/14 01:08 AM
06/10/14 01:08 AM
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To answer the op question" does anyone really care if a car is OE restored" I would say Maybe the owner of the car and the other handful of guys being judged.
This quote is what it basically boils down to, different strokes for different folks, we all have our own passions, while I can appreciate the effort,time and money that goes into an OEM build, I can also appreciate the same amount of effort, energy, money it takes to build a custom... to me OEM builds while nice, just lack the persona that a custom/modified/day 2 vehicle envokes, an OEM resto to me is like a blank canvass, waiting for the painter's first brush stroke
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Stanton]
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06/10/14 02:23 AM
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So what !!! And since no two are alike, how do you know what's right and what's wrong. Personally, I don't care.
Research, and surgical attention to detail, that's what...
And the creme de la creme will rise to the top of the mountain...
As in $$$...
There ain't no shortage of chopped cars...
I've seen enough to last me a lifetime...
Hendrick stole two S&M floppers...
A column auto, ugly Hemi 'bird brought a half a mil...
To get back to the original question, yes, it would appear someone out there 'cares'...
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: RSNOMO]
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06/10/14 12:26 PM
06/10/14 12:26 PM
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Hendrick stole two S&M floppers...
A column auto, ugly Hemi 'bird brought a half a mil...
To get back to the original question, yes, it would appear someone out there 'cares'...
I do know that Hendrick did not steal anything for that $1 million price for the floppers he bought at Barrett Jackson this past January. This is what he bought, and you tell me if this was a good deal. Neither of the "floppers" ever raced. One of them was a new reproduction from the past few years with no parts from the original race cars, and the other was one of the three original race cars. But the one on offer was the one that was only for static display -- it was from period but it never raced. It was sent to dealerships for promotional reasons only. The only pieces that were absolutely genuine were the transporters. These were the actual pieces from that time (well, the static display flopper was real from the time as well, but how interesting is a race car with no race car experience?). So Hendrick, which is a race car nut, bought two cars that never raced, one is a total repop; but the transporters are the ones that did the original work of moving from spot to spot. I think he paid enough for some transporters with great history, but that's about it. No one else with money wanted this lot of four pieces because two of them were not very good, if you're talking about old race car stuff.
All I'm saying is, make sure you know what you're talking about when you say that someone got a good or bad deal. Without this little tid bit of knowledge above, yes, it sounds like a landfall. I guarantee if The Snake and The Mongoose flopper race cars were offered were real, we would be at multiple of what the $1 million price was -- but it wasn't and the resulting $1 million price reflects what they were.
I guarantee that the two guys that were bidding on the ugly hemi bird knew what they were bidding on -- it always takes two to tango. I did not see the car sell, but that's why these auctions are so interesting. Yes, you wonder why things go for that kind of money, and when you go and look at it either before or after the sale, it does make more sense. I did look at all of the e body convertibles at Barrett and let me tell you, if you think any of the buyers got good deals you would be very mistaken. Every e body convertible out there was a rusty car from the midwest. They all looked good if you were standing vertical, but once you looked underneath each and every e body convertible, oh my goodness, the rustiness that was not repaired, or repaired poorly was astounding. I would not have bid on one of the e body converts at Barrett -- and yes, I did get on my belly and look at every one. It seems in January 2014 if you wanted a poorly restored rust bucket e body convertible, Barrett was the place to buy one.
Mark
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: DPelletier]
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06/10/14 01:34 PM
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I like the "CLOSE BUT No CIGAR" cars. I can appreciate all the effort and big $'s that are required of a OE. Trouble is only guys with more money than brains will ever use them. It is economically unfeasible to have fun with one, unless you judge fun by how many times you put up your tent and unfold your chair.  Make mined a non number matched figment of someone's imagination. I even like Brand X an God forbid Mustangs.  Build'em, run'em, wreck'em, REBUILD 'em. Just have fun with what ya brung. 
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: swapman]
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06/10/14 04:31 PM
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I have owned my A66 Challenger 340 convertible since 1980 and used it as a daily driver until about 1985. I then put the car away, always garaged and purchased many NOS parts back in the 80's when you could still get them for a reasonable price. I don't want to wait so long to enjoy the car and I am finally at a point (retirement) where I will have time to work on the old girl. I really do not want to do a 50,000 restoration on a car that I will be afraid to use. I am not into formal judging contests with every hose, nut and bolt being checked for color or markings! (If that is your thing; great, enjoy it) I am leaning toward working on it while using the car periodically, repairing what it needs to bring it back on the road and enjoy the car in mostly OE form. I watched two A-66 covertible challengers recently sell (2014) one through Mecum, the other through a dealer. Both cars sold north of 50,000. The dealer sold car went to Europe. Our mopars in many cases have been priced so high, that everyday enthusiasts can't afford the nicer cars. We got priced out of our own market with "investors" buying up the more rare cars, spending a ton of money to restore, bidding on their own cars to raise auction prices, then trying to flip the car for a profit. It's the car version of the "housing bubble". Everyone can do what they like with their own car, but what good is it if you have to be afraid to use and enjoy it. I plan to use my available NOS parts, buy aftermarket parts if needed and enjoy the car. A bright spot with all of this: so many people have put cars away, waiting for the day to "restore" the car but never get around to it. Cars are now coming into the market from the "old timers" who waited too long to follow their dream, and are making some cars available at a "reasonable" price. It is the reason why some of the cars are now selling at reasonable prices. Sorry to be so long winded on this; Unless you are really into the show circuit, build your car the way you like it, at a reasonable cost and enjoy it! I am looking for mostly OE with reasonable exceptions as needed! 340challconvert 
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: Pynzo]
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06/10/14 08:01 PM
06/10/14 08:01 PM
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 I totally agree with the two guys above me too. OEM done cars are nice for me to look at, but I really don't have the cash or the desire to own one. I appreciate what guys that do these go through, but for me; I like to drive my cars. I would not feel right driving an OEM car, me owning it or someone else's. I did an OEM Jaguar back in the day, and I told myself if I have to put a car in a trailer, then I don't want it. After that car I figured out that for me, I want to drive my cars, not trailer and look at them -- but that's just me. It all depends what a guy wants to do with their cars. If you like showing them and not driving them to keep them clean -- O.K., to each his own. I also fully understand the guy that likes to drive his ride.
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Re: Does Anybody Really Care If a Car is OE Restored???
[Re: DeMopuar]
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06/10/14 11:15 PM
06/10/14 11:15 PM
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This is pretty much how we did our cars as I am in the process of restoring my Dad's GTX vert right now. We plan on driving it and yes it will get dirty but it will be as good as it was brand new. So I have to clean and detail it every now and then. For me, the cleaning and the hands on time with these cars are relaxing for me and I find it priceless to be working on car that has stood the test of time and has body lines unlike any car of today. And yes, I do my own work on my days off from my regular job. http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?67715-Bringing-it-back-to-factory-specs
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