Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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Two bbl is blue, four barrel is Orange...
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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Two bbl is blue, four barrel is Orange...
Are 383 4bbl N codes Orange in a 70 Sport Satellite, 70 Challenger, 70 Barracuda, 70 Coronet 500, etc or blue?
In other words, non 383 4bbl with A/C in non Challenger R/T, Super Bee, Road Runner, 'Cuda models.
Would it matter above if the car was a 383 4bbl A/C with 4 speed?
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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Interesting... no 318 listed.
My 70 came with the original 318 - it was blue... not even sure if an orange 318 was ever made...
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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Interesting... no 318 listed.
My 70 came with the original 318 - it was blue... not even sure if an orange 318 was ever made...
No orange 318's , The table above is for the HP engines , 318 doesn't qualify within the confines of the U.S. during the muscle car era.
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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I've got a 70 Challenger SE 383 4 bbl carter, 330 horse, A/C auto and it's blue. It has HP manifolds. I may have a picture.
As it should!!
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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Had a '70 Satellite 383 4bbl A/C A/T wagon - bought umolested & totally original from original owner - with a turquoise engine, AVS carb & silenced (dual-snorkel) air cleaner. St. Louis car. Also had 11" drum brakes. Known history from Day 1, original everything.
Old (cooked/dirty/oily) '70 & newer blue engines often look turquiose from age.
NO stock/factory turquoise engines after 1969 model year.
compare the blue ground cable to the original blue valve covers on this '70 383 2bbl
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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I've got a 70 Challenger SE 383 4 bbl carter, 330 horse, A/C auto and it's blue. It has HP manifolds. I may have a picture.
As it should!!
Just when I think I understand.... I've seen both the 330 HP and 335 HP listed in a plymouth guide where it explains the RR gets the 335 because of camshaft, windage tray, etc. In the Challenger guide I only see 1 383-4bbl listed, a 335 HP (standard in Challenger R/T). So the SE Challenger is considered 'non performance' and gets the 330 HP blue engine? And an R/T AC Challanger would get the orange 335 HP (yes, I think). Is it as simple as SE is 'non-performance' just like a 383-4bbl Sport Satellite is 'non-performance'? Yet all 4 bbls are N code. It's the build sheet that gives the engine and carb (my 70 AC orange 383 is 084 engine with 036 Holly Carb). How'd I do?
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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I had a 70 383 Charger SE 4 speed A/C car and it was Orange and had the Holley 4160 from the factory.
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Re: Were the 1970 383 A/C blue or orange?
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I've got a 70 Challenger SE 383 4 bbl carter, 330 horse, A/C auto and it's blue. It has HP manifolds. I may have a picture.
As it should!!
Just when I think I understand.... I've seen both the 330 HP and 335 HP listed in a plymouth guide where it explains the RR gets the 335 because of camshaft, windage tray, etc. In the Challenger guide I only see 1 383-4bbl listed, a 335 HP (standard in Challenger R/T). So the SE Challenger is considered 'non performance' and gets the 330 HP blue engine? And an R/T AC Challanger would get the orange 335 HP (yes, I think). Is it as simple as SE is 'non-performance' just like a 383-4bbl Sport Satellite is 'non-performance'? Yet all 4 bbls are N code. It's the build sheet that gives the engine and carb (my 70 AC orange 383 is 084 engine with 036 Holly Carb). How'd I do?
In the example you give above there is a lot of potential confusion. It is confusing in itself about the SE designation. It was an option package on the CHARGERS but it is a MODEL designation on the CHALLENGER. There is a JH29 for the SE and a JS23 for the R/T and a JS29 for the R/TSE model. The JH29 with a 383-2 would be a 290 h.p. and both the JS23 and the JS29 would have the R/T (standard) 383-4 335 h.p. engine. SO, you could have an SE model Challenger with either engine.
Now there is MORE confusion. Look closely at this: http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1970DealershipDataBook-05.shtml
When you look at engine options for the Challenger with the engine pictures it shows the 383-4 TWICE and the first one has a twin snorkle air cleaner which is usually a sign of a 330 h.p. the the second picture shows the 383-4 with the unsilenced air cleaner which is usually a sign of the 335 h.p. BOTH are listed as Magnum engines and both are rated at 335 h.p. HOWEVER, the descriptions are clearly different and they are two different engines and I believe a mis print for the h.p. rating. However AGAIN, if you go to the standard and optional equipment page and look at the available engines it only list two 383s, the 383-2 290 h.p. and the 383-4 335. h.p. obviously a mistake SOMEWHERE in all of this. There has been difficulty identifing 383-4s since 1968 because the V.I.N. designation and the fender tag engine codes were the same regardless of it being a 330 h.p. or a 335 h.p.
Are you TOTALLY confused now?
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